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GM, Chrysler ask for another $21.6 billion

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What does the country average unemployment wise for the past say...30 years ?

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What does the country average unemployment wise for the past say...30 years ?

i didn't call you a d lister i called you a pied piper.

take that however you want

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how was this two post series not obvious

congrats you're as incapable of detecting nuance as you are making intelligent points.

quite a feat on your part.

If you could learn to put coherent thoughts together within one post instead of two then maybe your rhetoric could be more easily digested... post count *****.

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You're an idiot. Price isn't the issue. Car design, quality, fuel efficiency, etc...those are the issues.

Come again? The problem now is the auto industry model can only truly reinvent itself by going bankrupt due to its "contract" with the union.

Yes, like the telephone the Unions are needed. But unlike the telephone the adapability is slothful.

The overhead and built in price for less employees paying for MORE folks who retired(and no fault of them) but the concessions that get made ever so many years leads us to this point.

The Top 10 Best-Selling Cars of 2008

Ford F-Series: 515,513

Chevy Silverado: 465,065

Toyota Camry: 436,617

Honda Accord: 372,789

Toyota Corolla: 351,007

Honda Civic: 339,289

Nissan Altima: 269,668

Chevy Impala: 265,840

Dodge Ram: 245,840

Honda CR-V: 197,279

December 2008’s Top 10 Best-Selling Cars

Ford F-Series: 41,580

Chevy Silverado: 33,340

Toyota Camry: 25,275

Honda Accord: 22,348

Toyota Corolla: 22,129

Chevy Impala: 21,148

Chevy Malibu: 17,355 :gnorsi:

Nissan Altima: 17,311

Honda Civic: 17,302

Dodge Ram: 16,618

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/01/the-top-10-best.html

We also list the top car sales for the month of December, where the biggest move was made by the Chevy Malibu: It’s now the No. 3 midsize sedan on the market behind the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, besting Nissan Altima sales by a whopping 44 units.

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I like Pstall.

I'm gonna start a fan club.

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i didn't call you a d lister i called you a pied piper.

take that however you want

U r made at meh ?

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Come again? The problem now is the auto industry model can only truly reinvent itself by going bankrupt due to its "contract" with the union.

Yes, like the telephone the Unions are needed. But unlike the telephone the adapability is slothful.

The overhead and built in price for less employees paying for MORE folks who retired(and no fault of them) but the concessions that get made ever so many years leads us to this point.

The Top 10 Best-Selling Cars of 2008

Ford F-Series: 515,513

Chevy Silverado: 465,065

Toyota Camry: 436,617

Honda Accord: 372,789

Toyota Corolla: 351,007

Honda Civic: 339,289

Nissan Altima: 269,668

Chevy Impala: 265,840

Dodge Ram: 245,840

Honda CR-V: 197,279

December 2008’s Top 10 Best-Selling Cars

Ford F-Series: 41,580

Chevy Silverado: 33,340

Toyota Camry: 25,275

Honda Accord: 22,348

Toyota Corolla: 22,129

Chevy Impala: 21,148

Chevy Malibu: 17,355 :gnorsi:

Nissan Altima: 17,311

Honda Civic: 17,302

Dodge Ram: 16,618

http://blogs.cars.com/kickingtires/2009/01/the-top-10-best.html

We also list the top car sales for the month of December, where the biggest move was made by the Chevy Malibu: It’s now the No. 3 midsize sedan on the market behind the Toyota Camry and Honda Accord, besting Nissan Altima sales by a whopping 44 units.

What's your point with the list you provided?

Yes Ford, GM, and Chrysler do have to pay a lot more for legacy costs but it's funny how that doesn't seem to matter when Ford buys Land Rover or Jaguar. If they were in bad financial straights the last thing you want to do is expand. Bad business decisions combined with a number of other factors are the problems. Corporate big wigs getting million dollar bonuses all the while. But yeah, unions are the problem.:rolleyes:

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Unions AND management are the problem.

The contract/concessons method as painted both sides into a corner.

Am I lying when I say the ONLY way out of the contract is thru bankruptcy?

Take a step back from that logic and see it thru. It is just dumb.

That is like saying the only way I can get a divorce is if my wife shoots me in the foot.

Any other reason is not valid, but being maimed is.

When you have LESS people making as many if not more cars that margin is going somewhere.

I highlighted the Malibu because of it being 3rd now. IT can be done.

But the auto model itself is Jurassic Park in the current dynamic.

They have to be broken up, become smaller public companies. Allow mini unions that don't exceed 25% per new comp.

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If the Gov. gave everybody in America a $60000 refund instead of Chrysler or GM you would see an AUTOMATIC jump in sales and an INSTANT boost to the economy. Tahoe and 300C sales would quadruple!!

This could never happen because some people would die before there was a "re-distribution of wealth".

They also gave wallstreet 300bill with no conditions. Bonuses for failing executives and total faith in THEIR(human greed boxes) ability to turn the economy around :rolleyes:.

Putting War debt on our childrens children is OK but steering us out of depression is wasteful ??? Come on!

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GM should be nationalized.

full steam ahead on the Volt and get it finished, then once it becomes sustainable sell it back at profit, much like France did with Renault

Ford is fine by itself. Launch Chrysler into the sun.

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If the Gov. gave everybody in America a $60000 refund instead of Chrysler or GM you would see an AUTOMATIC jump in sales and an INSTANT boost to the economy. Tahoe and 300C sales would quadruple!!

fantastic you encourage GM to keep making unsustainable poo buckets and the next time oil spikes they get destroyed on it.

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fantastic you encourage GM to keep making unsustainable sh*t buckets and the next time oil spikes they get destroyed on it.

OK Fiz...Cobalts and PT Cruisers. Thats the best they can do now. :D

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