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Boltergeist

Manny retires

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and dear god I hope A-rod doesn't get in, I hate that guy

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and dear god I hope A-rod doesn't get in, I hate that guy

Personal feelings about him aside....does he get in?

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Probably.

Our society is amazing. If you give a lame-ass apology, you are pretty much good to go.

Denial gets you nothing. Anger gets you in even bigger trouble.

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Personal feelings about him aside....does he get in?

I would say yes at some point

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What a disgraced sport. Nothing but a bunch of cheaters.

What sport isn't disgraced at this point? I don't see the point, but why does everyone constantly make baseball the villain of professional sports? PEDs don't exist in other sports? There aren't athletes in the NFL, NBA, NHL, NASCAR, PGA, NCAA that are douchebags and cheat? I don't get it.

Everyone jump on board the national media hate baseball bandwagon.

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The difference is, nobody gives a damn about the NFL and steroid use.

In fact, if it were not for the massive PR hit, I'd guess most ardent NFL fans would be pretty ok with steroid use, as long as it makes their guys supermen.

Baseball has always been about regular sized dudes playing a game that hasn't changed much, and with that the ability to transcend eras to facilitate comparisons.

Record keeping and the generational banter has always been a fabric of the baseball tapestry.

Football, OTOH, has always been about getting the biggest, fastest, freakiest guys to destroy other guys. Comparisons are ridiculous through the ages. And no one really cares.

Thus, baseball fans get undies in wad over PEDs and the total lack of oversight in the 80s, 90s, and early 00s.

That's the best I can do in explaining the difference in baseball vs football fan culture.

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So if Manny doesn't get in does ARod get in?

Can Jeter go in twice?

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Can Jeter go in twice?

Yes, but only if you can prove to me that he was clean which I don't think he was.

*Edit* Nothing against Jeter, I am conviced that the only 2 players not to be on PEDs of some sort were Eddie Gaedel and David Eckstein.

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On the other end of the spectrum from the pipsqueaks....

I don't think Frank Thomas or Jim Thome ever used. They didn't have to.

Old fashioned hairy chested thumpers.

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Yes, but only if you can prove to me that he was clean which I don't think he was.

*Edit* Nothing against Jeter, I am conviced that the only 2 players not to be on PEDs of some sort were Eddie Gaedel and David Eckstein.

what about albert the golden child pujols??

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