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#16 YoungPanthers89

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Posted 23 April 2011 - 08:53 PM

he will get to 7 but jimmie wont be considered one of the greatest of all time

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 01:00 AM

Jimmie is already considered one of the greatest of all time.

Chad Knaus doesn't get his due, Jimmie would be lucky to have one or two championships without Chad.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 01:43 AM

Jimmie won the Daytona 500 and other races without Chad. That's just some BS that people say that don't like Jimmie. Chad has even gone on record and said that Jimmie has an amazing feel for what needs to be done to the car so that makes his job 10x easier.

Do you really think if they paired Chad and Kenny Wallace together Kenny would all a sudden become a world champion driver? Every single reason why people say Jimmie is overrated is bs and I could argue that with anyone. He wins because he can drive a damn race car like no one else and he has unparalleled desire.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 02:43 AM

Where did I say it was all Chad?

I didn't, thank you.

I never said anything about Jimmie being overrated either, now did I?

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 03:23 AM

Jimmie is a 5 time champ right now and he isn't even 40 yet. He's second in points right now and it's a huge chance that he wins 6 in a row. Jimmie is in his prime right now and even when he isn't in his prime he's still better than 1/2 the field. He'll win 7 championships if not more.


Jimmy Johnson won't win another title. Besides, he isn't 1/2 the driver Dale was. Nascar has changed, it's all about who you drive for & Jimmy happens to drive for the most dominant team/owner of all-time.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 03:29 AM

Jimmie won the Daytona 500 and other races without Chad. That's just some BS that people say that don't like Jimmie. Chad has even gone on record and said that Jimmie has an amazing feel for what needs to be done to the car so that makes his job 10x easier.

Do you really think if they paired Chad and Kenny Wallace together Kenny would all a sudden become a world champion driver? Every single reason why people say Jimmie is overrated is bs and I could argue that with anyone. He wins because he can drive a damn race car like no one else and he has unparalleled desire.


It doesn't hurt that he drives for Rick Hendrick. Makes it a little easier to beat your competition when you have twice as much money & resources as your competitors. I'm not knocking on Jimmie, he's a great driver. But he isn't even in the same league as Dale Earnhardt. I can name you 10-12 drivers who were better than Jimmie.

I joke at you younger guys spewing this BS not knowing who you are comparing him to. Between the Jimmie Johnson/Dale Earnhardt & Kobe Bryant/Michael Jordan comparisons that get spewed around it's hard not to just sit back & laugh.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 03:59 AM

Where did I say it was all Chad?

I didn't, thank you.

I never said anything about Jimmie being overrated either, now did I?


Saying he only only would have won 2 titles without Chad is insinuating that he's overrated. I get what you're saying though because he is paired up with probably the best crew chief in the sport.

Edited by CCS, 24 April 2011 - 04:15 AM.


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Posted 24 April 2011 - 04:13 AM

It doesn't hurt that he drives for Rick Hendrick. Makes it a little easier to beat your competition when you have twice as much money & resources as your competitors. I'm not knocking on Jimmie, he's a great driver. But he isn't even in the same league as Dale Earnhardt. I can name you 10-12 drivers who were better than Jimmie.

I joke at you younger guys spewing this BS not knowing who you are comparing him to. Between the Jimmie Johnson/Dale Earnhardt & Kobe Bryant/Michael Jordan comparisons that get spewed around it's hard not to just sit back & laugh.



Dale Earnhardt drove for top level teams for most of his career too. So saying Jimmie only wins because of his equipment is stupid seeing that Dale himself also had great equipment. If you know as much as you're saying you do you'd realize that just because a owner supplies the equipment doesn't guarantee success. Brian Vickers and Casey Mears struggled their entire stays with Hendrick while Jimmie dominated while they were in the same equipment.


I do think that Dale is better than Jimmie but if Jimmie keeps dominating like he is he at least has to enter the conversation with Dale, Petty, and Gordon as being the best ever.


But if you really think Jimmie won't win another title you're crazy. He's only 35 years old and that's YOUNG for Nascar. He has 54 wins and 5 championships. He usually wins around 5-6 races a year and is constantly in the top ten at every track. He has no weakness and every challenger that has tried to take him down has fallen. He isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Edited by CCS, 24 April 2011 - 04:23 AM.


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Posted 24 April 2011 - 04:22 AM

Dale Earnhardt drove for top level teams for most of his career too. So saying Jimmie only wins because of his equipment is stupid seeing that Dale himself also had great equipment. If you know as much as you're saying you do you'd realize that just because a owner supplies the equipment doesn't guarantee success. Brian Vickers and Casey Mears struggled their entire stays with Hendrick while Jimmie dominated while they were in the same equipment.


I do think that Dale is better than Jimmie but if Jimmie keeps dominating like he is he at least has to enter the conversation with Dale, Petty, and Gordon as being the best ever.


Gordon isn't on Earnhardt's level either.

Dale Earnhardt, Richard Petty, Darrell Waltrip, Cale Yarborough, Junior Johnson, David Pearson, etc......


And Dale Earnhardt drove for Richard Childress Racing most of his career. But guess what, they weren't a top tier team until Dale took over NASCAR & started dominating. Earnhardt won rookie of the year & the Cup Series Championship in consecutive years, with a mediocre team.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 09:50 AM

Gordon isn't on Earnhardt's level either.

Dale Earnhardt, Richard Petty, Darrell Waltrip, Cale Yarborough, Junior Johnson, David Pearson, etc......


And Dale Earnhardt drove for Richard Childress Racing most of his career. But guess what, they weren't a top tier team until Dale took over NASCAR & started dominating. Earnhardt won rookie of the year & the Cup Series Championship in consecutive years, with a mediocre team.



You're one of them people that think that just because the drivers are older that means they're better. I don't even like Jeff Gordon but I recognize he's one of the best drivers ever. Richard Childress has always had good equipment and has been a good team to go to. Why else would Dale sign with him for? The best drivers sign with the best teams. I'm sure that Earnhardt would have signed with Rick Hendrick if the opportunity arose so I guess if he would have that automatically takes away from his legacy?


Even if you do want to make the argument that the teams win races but Dale is still the best, I can discredit that too. When Dale Earnhardt died Kevin Harvick took over and won Atlanta what...3 weeks later? So either Kevin Harvick is a talented driver or both he and Earnhardt was a product of their team.


Jimmie wins because he has talent.

Dale won because he had talent.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 11:18 AM

The chase has skewed how we judge drivers

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 02:00 PM

You're one of them people that think that just because the drivers are older that means they're better. I don't even like Jeff Gordon but I recognize he's one of the best drivers ever. Richard Childress has always had good equipment and has been a good team to go to. Why else would Dale sign with him for? The best drivers sign with the best teams. I'm sure that Earnhardt would have signed with Rick Hendrick if the opportunity arose so I guess if he would have that automatically takes away from his legacy?


Even if you do want to make the argument that the teams win races but Dale is still the best, I can discredit that too. When Dale Earnhardt died Kevin Harvick took over and won Atlanta what...3 weeks later? So either Kevin Harvick is a talented driver or both he and Earnhardt was a product of their team.


Jimmie wins because he has talent.

Dale won because he had talent.


Actually it was the other way around. Childress signed Earnhardt, & Dale signed with him because he was poor & trying to make a living. Richard Childress Racing was nothing before he signed Dale Earnhardt.

Kevin Harvick winning one race, with the team that Dale Earnhardt built, does not make him talented. Look at how poorly he's done with the same team Earnhardt dominated with.

Dale Earnhardt finished 2nd in points 4 times in his career. In '92 Wallace beat him out by a mere 4-8 points. In '00, his last full season before he died, Earnhardt again finished 2nd in points. That was at the age of 49 & 23 years into his career. He was a dominant driver for over 2 decades.

Jimmie is a great driver who is respected by other drivers.

Dale was a driver that was respected, admired, & feared by other drivers. Nobody wanted to see the black #3 in their rearview mirror.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 03:15 PM

Actually it was the other way around. Childress signed Earnhardt, & Dale signed with him because he was poor & trying to make a living. Richard Childress Racing was nothing before he signed Dale Earnhardt.

Kevin Harvick winning one race, with the team that Dale Earnhardt built, does not make him talented. Look at how poorly he's done with the same team Earnhardt dominated with.

Dale Earnhardt finished 2nd in points 4 times in his career. In '92 Wallace beat him out by a mere 4-8 points. In '00, his last full season before he died, Earnhardt again finished 2nd in points. That was at the age of 49 & 23 years into his career. He was a dominant driver for over 2 decades.

Jimmie is a great driver who is respected by other drivers.

Dale was a driver that was respected, admired, & feared by other drivers. Nobody wanted to see the black #3 in their rearview mirror.



Do you think people like seeing the 48 in their mirror? If he's there chances are they're going to get passed. It's pretty obvious that most of the guys think he's unbeatable. Just look at how Denny Hamlin reacted last year when Jimmie started putting pressure on him.


Discrediting RCR is just stupid, man. You're grasping at straws with that. They're every bit as good as Hendrick is they just don't go out and sign huge name drivers. If Richard is such a bad owner why didn't Dale sign with a better team after he started dominating? Jimmie and Dale both have drove great equipment during their career so that point is moot.


Jimmie has finished 5th twice, 2nd twice, and 1st 5 times. He has 54 career wins in around 350 career starts.

Dale Earnhardt has 7 championships and 76 wins in around 700 starts.


Therefore if Jimmie continues at this pace he'll have at least 15 more wins than Dale Earnhardt and a few more championships than him at the exact same time in their careers. After you add in the huge spike in competition, it's obvious Jimmie is the man.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 08:50 PM

jimmy? jimmie?

he's a ***.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 08:53 PM

no. nobody is scared by seeing the 48 in their mirror!

hahahahaha

geeezus come on man.

fug the 48.


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