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#46 Ohio

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 06:59 PM

Why are you saying "whoops" when those players are clearly pretty damn good players. And a lot of those guys are from the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th rounds? Funny that you ask "well can you name a guy who we let go, that went to the Pro Bowl"? Chris Harris made 2 team All Pro this past year, WHOOPS!

And Hakeem Nicks was an absolute STUD before he got hurt, but biased people like yourself won't acknowledge that. Just like you didn't acknowledge that 4 of the guys you tried to brag about, are no longer on the team.

And you make yourself look bad when you say, "Part of a GM's job is to get rid of players when they are no longer good." Guess what buddy, we let Muhsin Muhammad go to the Bears for 3 years, and brought him back when he was ancient. Why would we bring back guys who are no longer good?

Do you really want to debate the players I brought up, to the ones you did?

If you seriously want to compare the players that the Giants drafted, to the players Hurney drafted, you'll lose every time. It's laughable that you think I'm wrong, when I clearly proved you wrong, by using your own words against you. Whoops!

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 07:03 PM

Colbert wasn't a bad pick.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 07:10 PM

Why are you saying "whoops" when those players are clearly pretty damn good players. And a lot of those guys are from the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th rounds? Funny that you ask "well can you name a guy who we let go, that went to the Pro Bowl"? Chris Harris made 2 team All Pro this past year, WHOOPS!

And Hakeem Nicks was an absolute STUD before he got hurt, but biased people like yourself won't acknowledge that. Just like you didn't acknowledge that 4 of the guys you tried to brag about, are no longer on the team.

And you make yourself look bad when you say, "Part of a GM's job is to get rid of players when they are no longer good." Guess what buddy, we let Muhsin Muhammad go to the Bears for 3 years, and brought him back when he was ancient. Why would we bring back guys who are no longer good?

Do you really want to debate the players I brought up, to the ones you did?

If you seriously want to compare the players that the Giants drafted, to the players Hurney drafted, you'll lose every time. It's laughable that you think I'm wrong, when I clearly proved you wrong, by using your own words against you. Whoops!


To be fair, Chris Harris played SS for us and wasn't THAT great. We wanted to kick Martin inside so we found him expendable... then he moved to FS in Chicago and randomly became a monster.

Moose was really good for a #2 in his first year back. His best season since we let him go.

I agree that the Giants have been better at drafting lately - just wanted to point that out.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 08:23 PM

It seems like they do their Research in Round 1 and 3. Go with need and BPA in those rounds. And then go with random wants, not necessarily BPA either. just a guy they wanted and fell in love with in round 2. It's always the guy who fell to them too. And then Hurney and Foxy have that glimmer in their eye when talking about them during the post-draft press conference. Hopefully Rivera is smarter than to fall in love with a particular player and punches Hurney in the face if he ever feels like trading future picks for players who could have been had later.

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Posted 16 April 2011 - 09:08 PM

Why are you saying "whoops" when those players are clearly pretty damn good players. And a lot of those guys are from the 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 7th rounds?


I said "whoops" because you said "everyday starters" don't matter. That pro bowl players are the best way to judge a GM. Then you named a bunch of guys, the majority of whom have never made a Pro Bowl

I think the better question is, is how many pro bowlers has he drafted or brought in? If you just want everyday starters, that's not what's going to help you win games in the playoffs against more talented teams.

How about this former GM, Ernie Accorsi

He drafted Jeremy Shockey 1st round
Kevin Walter 7th round
Osi Umenyiora 2nd round
Chris Snee 2nd round
Justin Tuck 2nd round
Brandon Jacobs 3rd round
Barry Cofield 4th round

How about his successor, Jerry Reese
Aaron Ross 1st round
Steve Smith 2nd round
Kevin Boss 5th round
Ahmad Bradshaw 7th round - All the same draft ^^^
Kenny Phillips 1st round
Mario Manningham 3rd round
Hakeem Nicks 1st round


Funny that you ask "well can you name a guy who we let go, that went to the Pro Bowl"? Chris Harris made 2 team All Pro this past year, WHOOPS!


So in 9 years as GM, Hurney has only let go of 2 players who still had Pro Bowl talent. God he sucks!

And Hakeem Nicks was an absolute STUD before he got hurt, but biased people like yourself won't acknowledge that. Just like you didn't acknowledge that 4 of the guys you tried to brag about, are no longer on the team.


Hakeem absolutely was a stud, he won me a fantasy championship. But we also have plenty of studs on our team who have not made a Pro Bowl.

And you make yourself look bad when you say, "Part of a GM's job is to get rid of players when they are no longer good." Guess what buddy, we let Muhsin Muhammad go to the Bears for 3 years, and brought him back when he was ancient. Why would we bring back guys who are no longer good?


And now you change the parameters again. Okay, we signed Mike Wahle got one good year and one Pro Bowl year, then cut his ass loose. Hurney signed Davis and rode him to a Super Bowl then cut him loose a year later. We let Moose go because he wanted #1 receiver money and we knew he wasn't worth it, so we let Chicago overpay him. Then we bring him back for next to nothing, get a 900+yd season on the way to a 12-4 record, then cut him loose.

Do you really want to debate the players I brought up, to the ones you did?

If you seriously want to compare the players that the Giants drafted, to the players Hurney drafted, you'll lose every time. It's laughable that you think I'm wrong, when I clearly proved you wrong, by using your own words against you. Whoops!


I've compared them in every way you asked and you keep changing how you want to judge them. This started off as a discussion on 2nd round picks. And when I showed that Hurney's record for 2nd round picks isn't as bad as it seems, then you said

your missing a big component. Free Agency which Hurney has been an amateur.


So then I named all the good free agent signings he has made. So the you said, it's not about "everyday starters," its about Pro Bowlers.

Then I showed you all the Prow Bowlers that Hurney has drafted or signed. So now you are saying it is about good players who have never made a pro bowl. So...

Ken Lucas
Chris Gamble
Richard Marshall
Jeff Otah
Jonathon Stewart
Travelle Wharton
Thomas Davis
Chris Harris (As you've pointed out, he is a Pro Bowl player.)
Charles Johnson
James Anderson

So what's your next parameter? Bring it on.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 01:10 AM

I said "whoops" because you said "everyday starters" don't matter. That pro bowl players are the best way to judge a GM. Then you named a bunch of guys, the majority of whom have never made a Pro Bowl



Show me where I said Pro Bowl players are the BEST WAY TO JUDGE. You can't you made it up.

So in 9 years as GM, Hurney has only let go of 2 players who still had Pro Bowl talent. God he sucks!

Have you seen the moves he's made? Yes he does.


Hakeem absolutely was a stud, he won me a fantasy championship. But we also have plenty of studs on our team who have not made a Pro Bowl.

Tell me what studs, besides Deangelos 1 year outta his whole career, what studs do you speak of?



And now you change the parameters again. Okay, we signed Mike Wahle got one good year and one Pro Bowl year, then cut his ass loose. Hurney signed Davis and rode him to a Super Bowl then cut him loose a year later. We let Moose go because he wanted #1 receiver money and we knew he wasn't worth it, so we let Chicago overpay him. Then we bring him back for next to nothing, get a 900+yd season on the way to a 12-4 record, then cut him loose.


This is how I know you don't know what you're talking about. The last year Moose played for us before we cut him, he led the league in Yards and TD's. But you believe he "wasn't worth #1 money". So if you want to believe a guy who leads the NFL in yards and td's isn't worthy of NFL money, then obviously you don't know what you're talking about, and you would be defending Marty Hurney.

I've compared them in every way you asked and you keep changing how you want to judge them. This started off as a discussion on 2nd round picks. And when I showed that Hurney's record for 2nd round picks isn't as bad as it seems, then you said

You told me nothing. You said "well our 2nd rounders aren't that bad, they start!" Like that actually means something. How about being effective. Which the NYG players I posted have been, did when a Super Bowl, and never went 2-14...




So then I named all the good free agent signings he has made. So the you said, it's not about "everyday starters," its about Pro Bowlers.

Then I showed you all the Prow Bowlers that Hurney has drafted or signed. So now you are saying it is about good players who have never made a pro bowl. So...

Ken Lucas
Chris Gamble
Richard Marshall
Jeff Otah
Jonathon Stewart
Travelle Wharton
Thomas Davis
Chris Harris (As you've pointed out, he is a Pro Bowl player.)
Charles Johnson
James Anderson

So what's your next parameter? Bring it on.


Let's look at that list there, Ken Lucas- GONE, Gamble- good, Richard Marshall- Not good, he was beat like a dog. Otah- proved nothing, he's too injury prone. Stewart- good, but injury prone. Wharton- Average, Thomas Davis- 1 decent year, too injury prone. Harris- Gone, James Anderson- LAUGHABLE.

The players that Hurney drafted and brought in, brought us 2 wins last year. And you think they're better then the Giants players...Keep trying to divert.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 01:24 AM

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#53 Ohio

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 02:16 AM

Yeah that's what I thought, no comeback. My job is done here.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 08:51 AM

Show me where I said Pro Bowl players are the BEST WAY TO JUDGE. You can't you made it up.


Have you seen the moves he's made? Yes he does.



Tell me what studs, besides Deangelos 1 year outta his whole career, what studs do you speak of?





This is how I know you don't know what you're talking about. The last year Moose played for us before we cut him, he led the league in Yards and TD's. But you believe he "wasn't worth #1 money". So if you want to believe a guy who leads the NFL in yards and td's isn't worthy of NFL money, then obviously you don't know what you're talking about, and you would be defending Marty Hurney.


You told me nothing. You said "well our 2nd rounders aren't that bad, they start!" Like that actually means something. How about being effective. Which the NYG players I posted have been, did when a Super Bowl, and never went 2-14...






Let's look at that list there, Ken Lucas- GONE, Gamble- good, Richard Marshall- Not good, he was beat like a dog. Otah- proved nothing, he's too injury prone. Stewart- good, but injury prone. Wharton- Average, Thomas Davis- 1 decent year, too injury prone. Harris- Gone, James Anderson- LAUGHABLE.

The players that Hurney drafted and brought in, brought us 2 wins last year. And you think they're better then the Giants players...Keep trying to divert.


We didn't cut Moose. We just didn't resign him. I still think that was a good decision he went to the Bears and got huge money. What wasn't a good decision was to expect Key or Jarrett to be his replacement. His QB negligence is the reason we have been so average for the last half a decade.

Like I have said Hurney is an average GM. There are just some Homers on here that think he is better then he is (the same could be said about Fox).

Speaking of the Giants there drafting took a huge step forward when they signed Ross to be there Dir. of College Scouting. I was hoping we would let Hurney walk and get him as our new GM, he has a good eye for talent.

Edited by jramsey4, 17 April 2011 - 08:53 AM.


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Posted 17 April 2011 - 09:33 AM

What wasn't a good decision was to expect Key or Jarrett to be his replacement.


what the hell keyshawn had a very good year for the Panthers that year.

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 04:53 PM

Everybody loves to hate Keyshawn even though he gave us as much as he gave Dallas the year before

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Posted 17 April 2011 - 09:57 PM

The 2nd round picks are NOT so so, and your missing a big component. Free Agency which Hurney has been an amateur.

And to answer the question, no. We haven't won. We're not the Chargers, a team who has great talent but can't win do to coaching. We had a mediocre coach with a majority of mediocre players.

I didn't say it was Hurney.

I said given this record, would you call him a successful GM?


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