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#16 mav1234

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:13 AM

who is this vet that you all speak of that will really give us that boost in the offense you guys speak of?

nevermind I guess anyone is better than clausen? amiright?


Really depends who is out there once FA starts.

I would be astonished of Cam Newton beat out Jimmy Clausen in camp, let alone Matt Moore.

But as to veterans, there are some decent prospects.

Obviously, I'd like to have a Bulger, Volek, Hasselbeck some guy with a ton of experience. Though Mr. Scot doesn't want him, I wouldn't be completely against McNabb (tho I understand his reasoning not for wanting him). There are now rumors Hasselbeck won't be back in Seattle. There's guys like Gradkowski, Hanie, A. Smith, T. Smith, Leinart, varying experience, varying success, some who will get strong looks from their current teams... (and some of these guys may also have been signed, I have no idea)

It really depends what we want, what they want, etc. But there are a number of options to bring in to make our QB corps a bit more experienced than a rookie :P

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:14 AM

true. On that list though Hassellbeck is the only one I would consider. The rest of them are blah. Id rather have matt moore then any of those excluding gradkowski.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:14 AM

3) I think that one is overblown. I mean, you don't think Peyton Manning has been told to do A and opted to do something different on a rare occassion?

other than that, nice post!


Manning did it first after being with the same OC for 5 years and after that OC told him to take what chances he saw fit. This was after he was an all pro. If the argument is that Newton in Auburn was at Manning's level, then okay, whatever. I don't think it is a major deal and I DON'T think it is a reason not to draft him at all, but I don't have to personally like it :P

You mean, like Jake Delhomme? :lol:


something like a Jake Delhomme when he came to the Panthers, yes, but not like a current Jake Delhomme, no =P

true. On that list though Hassellbeck is the only one I would consider. The rest of them are blah. Id rather have matt moore then any of those excluding gradkowski.


The list was potential FAs who could come in and compete, wasn't necessarily a list of people who would be better than Moore starting. I do believe many of them would be better than throwing Newton in at week 1, but I don't see it likely that happens no matter who we bring in.

the truth is i'd rather have Matt Moore than most of 'em too, but I think competition is good, and I think we should carry 2 veterans and one inexperienced guy (pike or clausen) into the season. I do not think Moore's games last year were a representative of the peak of his playing ability (nor of Clausen's for that matter) and I think if nothing else, Moore would be a good guy to have leading the team until we do find that "perfect fit" of a prospect. Maybe it's Newton, maybe it's not. I'm not sold on him, so I wouldn't use the #1. But I'm not making that decision.

Edited by mav1234, 20 April 2011 - 11:17 AM.


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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:46 AM

I look at it like the Phillip Rivers, Drew Brees situation. You had Drew Brees coming off a horrible year, you got basically #1 pick, Phillip Rivers sitting in the wing. All of a sudden Brees is playing better, however when it came down to it, Phillip Rivers being the #1 pick was going to start there. If Matt Moore steps up (Clausen is a lost cause in my book until proven otherwise), then I think it's his job until Newton pushes him out. Then when Newton (using his name because he is the favorite right now), is ready then he takes the job, and we get a boatload of draft picks for Moore. That is of course the best case scenario :) .

I just don't see us having the luxury to pick of a WR, CB or DB when you have been habitually date raped by the QB position for the last 7 years. Using a second round pick on Clausen is no reason to basically handicap ourselves from drafting a QB. The same logic kept Dwayne Jarrett around too long. That's the John Fox mentality. That's what he preached.

As a side note from training camp last year, I think anyone could beat Moore, Clausen and Pike for the position. Moore got the start because he played the least worst in TC. They all were surprisingly underwhelming and we all should have seen the writing on the wall before the season started.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:47 AM

who is this vet that you all speak of that will really give us that boost in the offense?

nevermind I guess anyone is better than clausen? amiright?

How much boost in offense do you get out of a rookie that sits the bench all year?

#21 The Saltman

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:47 AM

How do you know he will sit the bench all year? you have the ear of Rivera?

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:50 AM

Drafting a DT isn't conservative, it's filling in a major hole in our defense. If we shore up the D-line we will have a bad ass defense. When we walk out on the field, then, we would have the advantage on at least one side of the ball. Fixing the QB situation will likely take longer. Fixing the Dline is a quick fix to being competitive.

#23 The Saltman

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 11:52 AM

Yes fixing the defense that was pretty good last year> fixing our putrid offense.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 12:11 PM

Fixing the QB situation will likely take longer. Fixing the Dline is a quick fix to being competitive.


So we should wait longer to address the QB situation? I don't understand that logic.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 12:16 PM

I just want Bill Polian results. Not Matt Millen's.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 12:17 PM

How do you know he will sit the bench all year? you have the ear of Rivera?

I know it's what Rivera and Hurney both would prefer because they've expressed that rookie QBs starting early isn't good. It's one of the reasons they defend Clausen.

That, plus two of the three prospects we're looking at will require time to transition to an NFL offense, and the third is an idiot.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 12:18 PM

A punt is a good play

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 12:18 PM

You would think after all the complaining about the conservative nature of the John Fox era people here would be more apt to take risk. However from a lot of comments and post it seems like John Fox is still here.


Drafting a cornerback , DT at #1?
We need a traditional pocket passing QB.
Complaining that a QB made a play to ice the game instead of taking a knee?
Tanking the year so we can get a better QB(arguably) next year?
Hoping that our horrible QB play from last year was just bad play calling?


Or maybe it's just me reading into things..........


So change just for change sake? BTW Pittsburgh has been 'conservative' for decades now. Who has the most rings?

Yes pocket passer as Dual college threats will NEVER make it in the NFL, NEVER! Now put down the fuging madden and join reality

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 12:20 PM

Pittsburgh wouldn't be shiit without Big Ben. Good defense or not.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 12:22 PM

I don't think that you can label people that don't want Cameron as being conservative.

AJGreen is the most dynamic offensive talent in the draft in my opinion, that's why you take him. I feel that the team isn't going to win right away anyhow so the team should build for the future with great talent. AJ Green was one of the top recruits out of HS and has kept his game at a high level while improving each and every year. He is the closest that this draft has to a can't miss prospect. That doesn't make me conservative because I want the Panthers to pick him over Cameron.


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