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#31 Tarheels23

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 09:59 PM

So your okay with Netwon growing pains but heaven forbid Clausen has some growing pains in the worst offensive system in modern football history with no coaching help and he should definitely get thrown away.. makes no sense to me.


Did you see Clausen play? If so you wouldn't be asking that question.

Edited by Tarheels23, 20 April 2011 - 10:03 PM.


#32 Mr. Scot

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 09:59 PM

Fans who live outside of the southeast & can't get Sunday ticket care about primetime games.

I can appreciate that. That used to be me. But you can't make draft decisions based on stuff like that.

Hurney himself has said that hype and attention don't factor into his decision making, and honestly, that's wise.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:00 PM

Wasn't saying I "give a rip" about primetime games, I showed up at 1pm at the local dolphin bar every Sunday in my panther gear by myself last year. Just pointing out that some do complain every year that the media hates us, amount of prime time games, etc. You would literally have to hold a gun to my head to make me beleive that drafting any sort of defensive player would help us win games. There is just not enough impact one guy on defense can do, CONSISTENTLY, every week that would overshadow having a franchise QB.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:01 PM

Did you Clausen play? If so you wouldn't be asking that question.


I guarantee you if you see Newton play next year 3 games in you'll see the same if not worse results.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:02 PM

A rookie will never help you win now. Drafting a QB #1 doesn't mean he has to start immediately either. We'll sign a vet who can step in if he's not ready. But I'm feeling he'll be put in the fire soon especially if we can get by on run game and D.


Sam bradford. "won" games on his arm year one with no reciever help. MOst of you treat this guy like he is your run of the mill quarterback. Most normal "pocket passers" can't help you win right away. The learning curve for reading and making the proper throws is difficult for any qb. But if you have a quarterback who's skill set is as unique as newton there are ways he can get one the field week one of need be.

Before i get flamed, I'm not even close to suggesting starting him week one,but i am in favor of subing him in in unique packages. I'd think he could run some of the same plays he ran at auburn 6-7 times a game if needed. I don't care if he doesn't throw 3 touchdowns right away but, i'm sure he could contribute on the ground right away. defensive cordinators knowing all he can do is run would look run and leave softer coverages for passer who isn't quiet ready to consistantly beat them.

While his passing may take awhile to get to where it needs to be his legs are fine. If that means our offense looks similar to what atlanta's did with dunn, vick,and duckett(DVD) so be it.. I don't care how the touchdowns are scored as long as they are scored. I'm not saying he can't be a decent passer right away this is just the worst case senario.


I guarantee you if you see Newton play next year 3 games in you'll see the same if not worse results.


how is that possible. I can all most assure you even if cam doesn't throw a passing touchdown all season(unlikely) he'll account for more than 3 touchdowns.

Edited by micnificent28, 20 April 2011 - 10:05 PM.


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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:03 PM

I guarantee you if you see Newton play next year 3 games in you'll see the same if not worse results.


Oh yeah? maybe if he had down syndrome and a broken leg this comment would make sense.

#37 Mr. Scot

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:03 PM

The best available player is what helps us win games.

I don't buy that that's Newton (or Gabbert or Mallett, for that matter).

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:04 PM

So your okay with Netwon growing pains but heaven forbid Clausen has some growing pains in the worst offensive system in modern football history with no coaching help and he should definitely get thrown away.. makes no sense to me.


That's a lot to assume(incorrectly) from a post that didn't even mention Clausen.

But I guess I'll discuss that anyway.

Clausen doesn't stabilize the QB position at all, there needs to be a QB that can start and stabilize the team. A vet can do that, and a #1 pick can do it too. It gives the team direction.

It doesn't matter how anybody feels about Clausen the QB position is too unstable for there to not be legit competition. It's up to the coaches how they stabilize the position but Clausen alone won't be the answer.

I would actually prefer it if Clausen were to succeed because then we could draft a safer player.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:05 PM

Oh yeah? maybe if he had down syndrome and a broken leg this comment would make sense.


Yeah okay, we'll see if they guy who knows the offensive play "36" can run a pro offense 3 games into his football career.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:06 PM

I guarantee you if you see Newton play next year 3 games in you'll see the same if not worse results.


Did you see Newton play in college? If so you wouldn't be making a statement like that. Cam will need time to develop, but he'll instantly make us better than Clausen, with the threat of his legs alone.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:07 PM

Who gives a flaming rip about whether we have primetime games or not?

You want attention? Win games.

You want to win games? Get the best player available.

I don't think that's Newton.


I never got the disappointment in no primetime games, if we're good then we'll be flexed in anyway.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:08 PM

The best available player is what helps us win games.

I don't buy that that's Newton (or Gabbert or Mallett, for that matter).


Well then, I hope Patrick Peterson is good at throwing bc he is gonna be a busy man to play both sides of the ball considering our offense is about as inept as bringing a knife to an uzi fight. I keep hearing that statement over and over and over again with no real basis behind it. Please, just once... explain how drafting PP or MD is going to win games for us next year.

#43 King Taharqa

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:08 PM

The chance for this team to become relevant is literally sitting there smacking us in the face and some just dont want it...


Of course not. Being relevant, means expectations. No expectations, no penalty for losing. Losing is OK, as long as we feel the team "represents us" properly with class and a safe approach.

#44 mav1234

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:09 PM

Amusingly enough, Peterson is the only player being discussed for the top that would play in more than one phase of the game and could very well benefit the offense greatly.

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 10:10 PM

Funny how reactions to the article mirror preconceived opinions. From a logical point of view if we have 2010 revisited, it indeed makes sense to draft the guy worth 55 million as much as it makes sense to pick the best player as the number 1 pick. if you are going too pay someone that much up front to play, you need someone who is going to be an attraction at the gate as well as a player on the field. Usually if he shines on the field he helps at the gate. In this case he probably has to engender hope while he learns the game on the sidelines. Used in a couple of packages like a very productive version of the wildcat. Finally a runner who can throw the ball eventually becoming a great passer who can run, we can hope if we take him. From a business point of view it makes a lot of sense. The hope and belief is that he will be the franchise guy. It isn't picking a guy to give fans hope as much as it is that fans have hope because he is such a physical talent who will work hard to become the franchise guy. It demonstrates the team's committment to rebuilding the offense and gives us a better chance to compete than taking another offensive guy like Green. I just can't see him being worth 55 million, can you honestly? And while Cam learns and develops, Carolina is relavent and hopefully with good QB play from the veterans we win some games while he sits and learns. In that case having a popular charasmatic guy who fills the stands can't be anything but a positive. Sure he won't be filling them in year 3 unless he is starting but if we have good play from someone else, we have the luxury to groom him. Sadly these kind of endings rarely work out for the panthers. Usually injury and necessity forces guys to be pressed into service too early. Here's hoping our luck changes.

I can't think of any position outside of quarterback where I would invest that kind of money. And you will invest it on somebody. Frankly the logic is right on no matter which side you are on. Number 1 picks end up being a lot more than just the fact they were drafted first.


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