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#31 jtm

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 11:00 AM

How would Clausen be rated this year? He would be number 3 behind Newton and Gabbert?? Why, he has a number of leadership issues which made him drop last year.


Not looking to argue, but curious - what leadership issues? Do you think any rookie in the NFL is considered a leader among vets?

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 11:07 AM

The problem for many folks is that they see Clausen's upside as severely limited while Newton's is much higher. The issue isn't how they would have played in 2010 but how they will play in 2011 or in five years.


This is my whole point - upside severely limited based on what? So if we draft Cam and he starts in 2011 and we go 2-14 will everyone want us to draft Luck in 2012? You can't argue on one side that we need to give a player time to develop and draft for the future and then turn around and throw a guy to the wolves after one year in a situation that Tom Brady would probably not have done much better.

I am just trying to understand peoples' measuring stick for success. The same people that are stating we should draft Cam and give him time to develop are ready to give up on Clausen after one year. Makes no sense especially considering the fact that drop back passers like Clausen have historically been more successful in the NFL v. mobile qb's like Newton.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 11:08 AM

My prediction for next year with Newton would be no different than my prediction without him.

I believe if he is drafted, he won't play his rookie year.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 12:52 PM

So why is everyone ready to mortgage the farm on Newton when he wouldn't have done any better than Clausen last year? Point is - Clausen wasn't given a fair shake as we all know. Newton seems a lot riskier than Clausen because we will have to pay him a lot more money and he is a lot farther behind as far as the pro language.


Agreed 100%. To draft Newton would be a big mistake.
Bring in Dareus and give Claussen at least one more year.
Manning's 1st year was terrible. It takes time to learn
the NFL.

We don't need Newton but if we had him he would do
no better then 3 - 13.

Pass on Newton, there are better guys out there who
will help our Panthers win.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:11 PM

I am still waiting for a Cam fan to explain to me why we should draft him and allow 2+ years for him to develop and learn the system when Clausen was only given a couple games to learn.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:25 PM

dumb.

if newton is drafted. he'll be sitting on the bench and not playing.

next thread.....

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:34 PM

dumb.

if newton is drafted. he'll be sitting on the bench and not playing.

next thread.....


Please go to the next thread because this one is obviously over your head. :rolleyes:

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:45 PM

I agree 100%. No one has answered my question - why are we treating Clausen different? I am not saying he is our future, but I am saying you can't say he is NOT our future after one season.


I saw every snap of every Panther game last year, and if you did as well you wouldn't be asking that questions. There's a difference between your average QB rookie struggles, and what Clausen did last year. Do you know how many TD's Clausen threw last year to receivers? It's a loaded question, don't bother answering! I'm sorry, but I'm convince the guy doesn't have "it" at all what so ever.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:47 PM

With Pickles 3-13

With Cam 4-12

With Brady ???

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:49 PM

I am still waiting for a Cam fan to explain to me why we should draft him and allow 2+ years for him to develop and learn the system when Clausen was only given a couple games to learn.


As an outsider looking in, this makes a lot of sense. If you're not gonna give the kid his shot, the Panthers need to just out right release him and draft their new franchise QB on Thursday.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 01:53 PM

19-0!

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 02:01 PM

I would love for Clausen to bounce back after last year. I would love to say it was a myriad of outside issues combined with rookie play that made him suck so bad. However he showed no visible improvement from 1st start till 9th start. As a matter of fact he looked worse as the season went on. He wasn't even up and down, it was all down. A guy off his couch came in and until the last part of the fourth quarter played better than Clausen. I just don't see Clausen becoming a viable starter and feel like it's a waste of a year to even waste starting him again.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 02:05 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm convince the guy doesn't have "it" at all what so ever.


This is the only response thus far to my "how is Cam any different" question that makes sense. It is tough for anyone to answer this except for the coaching staff - they get to see Clausen's development day in and day out. If the coaching staff isn't sold, then I completely understand the pick. But still, drafting Cam doesn't get us back to competitive football for a couple of years, and this is a couple years assuming he is a successful NFL QB.

If we draft 3 QB's in two years Hurney should be out of a job.

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 02:08 PM

I would love for Clausen to bounce back after last year. I would love to say it was a myriad of outside issues combined with rookie play that made him suck so bad. However he showed no visible improvement from 1st start till 9th start. As a matter of fact he looked worse as the season went on. He wasn't even up and down, it was all down. A guy off his couch came in and until the last part of the fourth quarter played better than Clausen. I just don't see Clausen becoming a viable starter and feel like it's a waste of a year to even waste starting him again.


I honestly don't think any qb had a chance with the Panthers last year. A coaching staff on the way out surrounded by a bunch of rookies is not a good combination. I don't think we should start Clausen. I would rather see us get Dareus or Green and go after someone on the free agent market. Another poster said this team is set-up to win with a marginal qb and I agree with this statement. Why not go get Kolb, McNabb, Young, Palmer, or Orton and give pickles another year with a clipboard?

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Posted 26 April 2011 - 02:42 PM

So why is everyone ready to mortgage the farm on Newton when he wouldn't have done any better than Clausen last year? Point is - Clausen wasn't given a fair shake as we all know. Newton seems a lot riskier than Clausen because we will have to pay him a lot more money and he is a lot farther behind as far as the pro language.


Step out of the logic box and hop onto the Cam hype train!


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