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#31 bleys

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 10:06 AM

The 'Clausen Project'?! LOL!

Carolina traded away this year's 2nd round draft pick to draft a QB in hopes he could transition to a WR, a position he has never played before. They believed he could do it, though, because he is so 'physically gifted'. How's that working out for you? John Kasay saw more action than Edwards last year. Hell, the WATERBOY got on the field more than Edwards did last year.
- IMO, 1st and 2nd round draft picks are for players that are ready to play in the NFL, guys who are ready to contribute and immediately make your team better. Edwards was/is a major project who has contributed nothing except to the loss of our 2011 2nd round pick.

Clausen is another 2nd round pick. Rivera said Clausen could not be fairly evaluated because he was asked to start before he was ready, played with an injury-plagued offensive line, a veteran WR who was double and triple-covered, two rookie WRs who were learning the NFL game, and defenses that loaded the box in order to stop the run. And you want to jettison the guy?

As I pointed out, Eric Shelton and Jarret got more of a chance than you are willing to give Jimmy Clausen! Armani Edwards, a much bigger 'waste of a draft pick' when compared to Clausen, is getting mor of a chance than you are giving Clausen. :skep: Seriously?

Carolina needs to NOT re-sign Moore, either cut Pike or put him on the practice squad, and acquire a veteran that can play and mentor both Clausen and Newton until one or the other is ready to play.

If Carolina is really 'cheap', they will play Clusen - continuing to abuse him/force him to learn on the go and bide time until Newton is ready.

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exactly. no one in their right mind is saying Clausen will be worth a poo. but no one in their right mind can say Clausen isn't worth keeping around for another year to let a COMPETENT coaching staff find out for themselves.

you get nothing to let him walk. and what sense does it make to drop Clausen to allow an undrafted rookie to come in and never make anything of himself?

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 10:16 AM

essentially you're saying "let Clausen walk" more so than expecting any trade value. there isn't a team in the NFL who is going to give up anything worthy for Clausen (a 7th maybe?)..

so I think it's best to bring in that Vet, keep Clausen and see if last year was the truth or a fluke..


I'm not knowing what kind of money Clausen makes, but Newton isn't going to be cheap, plus you'll need to pay that vet as well. Not sure having two students is ever the best idea. The amount of money Cam is going to demand, you won't want him sitting on the pine for very long either. At some point, you have to admit Clausen isn't filling the expectations and let him go. If you keep him, how do you ever get the most out of Newton?

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 10:17 AM

exactly. no one in their right mind is saying Clausen will be worth a poo. but no one in their right mind can say Clausen isn't worth keeping around for another year to let a COMPETENT coaching staff find out for themselves.

you get nothing to let him walk. and what sense does it make to drop Clausen to allow an undrafted rookie to come in and never make anything of himself?


let someone else foot the bill to see if he's worth it down the road or not. Obviously, your FO doesn't think so or they wouldn't have used that #1 pick on a QB!

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 10:25 AM

Yeah Big Ben, Flacco, Sanchez, Ryan, Manning, etc were all ruined. You start him when he's ready. It's as simple as that. I personally think he could start week 1 if he puts in the time. But probably what will happen is Moore and Clausen will go at it in TC whoever wins gets the starting nod then by mid-season or so if they are struggling Cam will get some playing time.

Rule of Thumb: Never judge other quarterbacks by what Peyton Manning can do.

As to the other guys named, only Roetlisberger has won much of anything, and he stunk in the process (team carried him in two of three wins). None of the rest have convinced me they'll be consistent winners in the postseason just yet either.

The Steve McNair/Aaron Rodgers path is the best way to go on this one.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 10:36 AM

let someone else foot the bill to see if he's worth it down the road or not. Obviously, your FO doesn't think so or they wouldn't have used that #1 pick on a QB!


I agree with you. Newton was number one. trading clausen so we can invest full time on newton. I say bring in a decent vetern so newton have a year to learn.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 10:51 AM

Have any of you been paying attention to Rivera and Hurney? Ever since Rivera was hired they have been telegraphing their intentions to us. Started with mentioning finding a franchise qb and do it all tight end. Spoke of attacking offense and defensive style of play. In regards to the draft they said several times thry wanted the player who can be the biggest impact and help us win games now. They went and got their do it all te in shockey. Then they dedicated more research on Newton than any pundits or any other team. They are obviously well convinced he can make an immediate impact on us winning games. The goal sounds like it is to incorporate him into the offenses much as possible and as soon as possible. He'll have to earn the starting spot full time but I think Rivera and Hurney feel it is very likely that he can and will this year

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 10:56 AM

I was pointing out that regardless of who starts, Cam should sit.

Cam sitting and the starter sucking shouldn't be relevant. we face a tough schedule and Cam isn't going to save the day so no one should act like the "starter's" game play is relevant to Cam starting.

Bring in whoever. Cam should sit. There's no need to rush him out on the field, YOU ALL AREN'T WINNING A SUPERBOWL.. so it's really no point in being impatient. but look at me, telling fans to be rational..


I get what you're saying, there is no reason to anoint him starter week one right now, that's absurd. What i was trying to get at was that for us to have picked him there, was that the FO thinks he could play sooner rather than later.

None of us should assume he can't pick up the offense nor should we pencil him in day one starter. We can give our predictions of course, but it's up to him to see how he catches on to an NFL offense. If he is ready, which I suspect the FO hopes him to be, rather it be week 1, week 8, or week 14, I just think if he is our future, he should see playing time this year. The Buccs did a nice job with Freeman, I don't know how many games he started his rook season, maybe the last six or so, but he is a good example for bringing along a rookie QB.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:10 AM

Rule of Thumb: Never judge other quarterbacks by what Peyton Manning can do.

As to the other guys named, only Roetlisberger has won much of anything, and he stunk in the process (team carried him in two of three wins). None of the rest have convinced me they'll be consistent winners in the postseason just yet either.

The Steve McNair/Aaron Rodgers path is the best way to go on this one.


I would agree but anyone that says starting a QB early will ruin him hasn't been paying attention lately. How a QB turns out is more a reflection of the player then solely on when they 1st get the start. I actually hope Moore comes in and is a serviceable starter for a year or 2 allowing Newton to learn off the bench. But if he starts early he might just make the transition as well as a # of recent successes. We won't know until it happens.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:30 AM

People say he needs to sit and learn, but I've just realized that he would be sitting behind Jimmy Freaking Clausen assuming we don't pick up a Vet. Clausen is probably better, RIGHT NOW than Clausen, and I don't doubt he could beat him in camp. If Clausen can learn our offense, I see no reason why he shouldn't start Week 1.


If he grasps the playbook, which I think we can/will, I have no problems with him starting Week 1.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:46 AM

Clausen isn't done yet, and I think it's ridiculous that some people think that he is done after the situation he was in last year. He could be the franchise QB that we had the whole time on our roster. You just never know, and I know he's going to be very competitive and he will try to beat out Cam in training camp. And to be honest he probably will. He's a long ways ahead of Cam right now with knowing the terminology, play book, and reading defenses. So I think or hope Cam can set back and keep learning, because he's obviously a physical freak and once he perfects his skills he could be extremely dangerous...

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 11:51 AM

I'm not knowing what kind of money Clausen makes, but Newton isn't going to be cheap, plus you'll need to pay that vet as well. Not sure having two students is ever the best idea. The amount of money Cam is going to demand, you won't want him sitting on the pine for very long either. At some point, you have to admit Clausen isn't filling the expectations and let him go. If you keep him, how do you ever get the most out of Newton?


you also don't want to throw Cam in with live bullets and sabotage all that money he is going to get paid. saying he cost a lot isn't a good reason to start him early. if we miss the playoffs, we miss the playoffs. betting the farm that he could fall into that small percentile who actually succeed isn't smart either.

let someone else foot the bill to see if he's worth it down the road or not. Obviously, your FO doesn't think so or they wouldn't have used that #1 pick on a QB!


as I mentioned above.. there is a higher chance of failure throwing him in early. so when talking business sense, it would be better to let him ride the pine for a year.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 12:05 PM

totally agree...no where did I say I thought Newton should start anytime soon!

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 12:08 PM

you also don't want to throw Cam in with live bullets and sabotage all that money he is going to get paid. saying he cost a lot isn't a good reason to start him early. if we miss the playoffs, we miss the playoffs. betting the farm that he could fall into that small percentile who actually succeed isn't smart either.



as I mentioned above.. there is a higher chance of failure throwing him in early. so when talking business sense, it would be better to let him ride the pine for a year.


actually, in the last 10 years.....QBs in the 1st round have about the same success rate that started at some point as rookies vs. those that didn't.

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 05:21 PM

actually, in the last 10 years.....QBs in the 1st round have about the same success rate that started at some point as rookies vs. those that didn't.


knowing the speed of the NFL, the terminology, all aspects of the playbook, and getting timing down with your receivers..... you can spout off all the stats you want and it's still all the wiser to let the kid sit.

you raise a valid point. just one that I would still be patient and ignore.


totally agree...no where did I say I thought Newton should start anytime soon!


oh, well in that case I hear ya. just saying to all those who seem to disagree that money isn't a valid reason to throw the guy in right away. I'm referring to others who say this then. ;)

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Posted 29 April 2011 - 05:40 PM

Rule of Thumb: Never judge other quarterbacks by what Peyton Manning can do.

As to the other guys named, only Roetlisberger has won much of anything, and he stunk in the process (team carried him in two of three wins). None of the rest have convinced me they'll be consistent winners in the postseason just yet either.

The Steve McNair/Aaron Rodgers path is the best way to go on this one.


Do you think had Ryan or Flacco sat they would have better postseaons? Regardless of what they managed to do in the playoffs they've proven that starting early didnt cause them problems long term.

Other names such as Freeman even Cutler have managed to play well without problems that are directly because of starting early

I think its naive to think that either side of the argument (wether for or agiasnt starting) should be a accepted as rule and not a seen has a call that is enitrely dependent of the specific situation.


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