Pooty threads are the best. Of course I hope he does well. I don't get the mentality from people that think I want him to fail so I can be right and so I can avoid the backlash from people here like I don't get attacked every day no matter what my opinion is.
The only reason I think we would draft Luck is if we are in that position and games are played, it means Cam didn't do well at all. Now I know there is a more detailed perspective where you take development, progress, glimmers, flashes, etc into consideration but it would be hard to finish last again and have the best prospect in 13 years knocking on your door and you slam it in his face because you got burned the year before by someone with a far inferior skill set and way more question marks.
I've never once based Luck's transition to the NFL off of his stats or college accomplishments. You clearly think you are too smart for your own good and can't read a simple post that I've had to repeat thousands of times because you guys are so butthurt that I don't want Cammy Cam juice sprayed all over my face like the rest of you.
I look at a lot of things when evaluating QBs, more things than you probably could understand. Of course Luck is just a prospect but he is a better one than Newton. Even with a year of experience for Newton, Luck is still a year ahead of him because of where Newton is starting from.
I didn't want Luck when it was possible he could come out last year, I didn't think QB was our biggest need. I thought we would have taken Luck because he's too good to pass up, but I didn't want him. Now with the hole the FO has put us in, IF Cam doesn't perform assuming he's the starter all year and he earns us the #1 pick again, they MUST pick Luck or it's a slap in the face to every player on that team other than Cam and every fan that buys tickets or watches them on TV.
Interesting that you take the time to crticize me for thinking I am too smart then you make condescending remarks like you look at a lot of things which are more than I could understand. Seems to me that you are the one thinking you are so smart and above the understanding of others like me. Which clearly from the responses you get everyday as you suggest, indicate that this is in your mind not general consensus.
That aside, Luck hasn't made the transition nor is it guaranteed that when he does, he will be an instant star so to talk about how he will transition is just speculation about what you think he will do based on him playing within Harbaugh's WCO system for 2 years at Stanford (plus a redshirt year his freshmen year).
As usual you miss the point. The question isn't whether Luck was a better prospect this year if he came out, because that is not the debate. Most people would agree that he was. The question is whether he will be a better prospect next year versus Newton with a year of experience under his belt plus the 2 or 3 first rounders we would get if we traded the pick to someone else. You assume he will be but I think that is still up for debate.
What made Luck so attractive is that he had experience in a pro-ready offense and had good mechanics and footwork. He isn't more athletic than Newton, doesn't possess a better arm, and doesn't have better intangibles. Now if you add that Newton with all of his work has improved his footwork, improved his throwing motion, and is working hard to improve his grasp of the playbook and NFL offenses and defenses, there is every reason to believe that by next spring Newton will be every bit as experienced in a pro offense as Luck and still possess the superior physical skills. So to assume that Luck next spring will be a better prospect coming out of college playing against college defenses versus Newton after playing a year in the NFL against real NFL defenses is certainly your opinion but not at all a given. ( this assumes that we will be actually playing football this year which I believe we will, and that Newton will play and not ride the pines, which I believe he will.) You may think his skills are far inferior but that again is your opinion. Newton's physical skills are superior to Luck's. His understanding of a pro offense and skills under center were inferior to Luck's but won't be when you compare where each of them are next spring, IMO.
I really doubt that we will be the worse team in the NFl so all this talk IMO is moot. Secondly, I doubt Newton plays as badly as you think he will. And lastly, why not try to elevate your conversation to avoid the personal attacks. It makes you look like a troll, and discounts for most folks anything you may say of value. All posters regardless of what they say want validation for their views or they wouldn't post on a public forum. In order to get validation it is important to validate others as well. You can discount that or argue if you want, but it is a universal truth which if practiced reaps rewards well in excess of the energy expended to practice it.
Edited by panthers55, 26 May 2011 - 12:32 PM.