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#1 Floppin

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 07:16 AM

You may think you understand how the Patriot Act allows the government to spy on its citizens. Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Oregon) says it’s worse than you’ve heard.

Congress is set to reauthorize three controversial provisions of the surveillance law as early as Thursday. But Wyden says that what Congress will renew is a mere fig leaf for a far broader legal interpretation of the Patriot Act that the government keeps to itself — entirely in secret. Worse, there are hints that the government uses this secret interpretation to gather what one Patriot-watcher calls a “dragnet” for massive amounts of information on private citizens; the government portrays its data-collection efforts much differently.

“We’re getting to a gap between what the public thinks the law says and what the American government secretly thinks the law says,” Wyden tells Danger Room in an interview in his Senate office. “When you’ve got that kind of a gap, you’re going to have a problem on your hands.”

What exactly does Wyden mean by that? As a member of the intelligence committee, he laments that he can’t precisely explain without disclosing classified information. But one component of the Patriot Act in particular gives him immense pause: the so-called “business-records provision,” which empowers the FBI to get businesses, medical offices, banks and other organizations to turn over any “tangible things” it deems relevant to a security investigation.

“It is fair to say that the business-records provision is a part of the Patriot Act that I am extremely interested in reforming,” Wyden says. “I know a fair amount about how it’s interpreted, and I am going to keep pushing, as I have, to get more information about how the Patriot Act is being interpreted declassified. I think the public has a right to public debate about it.”

That’s why Wyden and his colleague Sen. Mark Udall offered an amendment on Tuesday to the Patriot Act reauthorization.

The amendment, first reported by Marcy Wheeler, blasts the administration for “secretly reinterpret[ing] public laws and statutes.” It would compel the Attorney General to “publicly disclose the United States Government’s official interpretation of the USA Patriot Act.” And, intriguingly, it refers to “intelligence-collection authorities” embedded in the Patriot Act that the administration briefed the Senate about in February.


Wyden says he “can’t answer” any specific questions about how the government thinks it can use the Patriot Act. That would risk revealing classified information — something Wyden considers an abuse of government secrecy. He believes the techniques themselves should stay secret, but the rationale for using their legal use under Patriot ought to be disclosed.


http://www.wired.com...ret-patriot-act

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 08:26 AM

Cool.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 10:28 AM

Ahhhh the Patriot Act- you know that Act that Democrats (rightfully) demonized, only to then vote with their favorite liberal Barry to extend once they got in power.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 10:49 AM

But they're two totally different parties and the democrats are the only ones that genuinely have my best interests at heart.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 12:41 PM

Ahhhh the Patriot Act- you know that Act that Democrats (rightfully) demonized, only to then vote with their favorite liberal Barry to extend once they got in power.


Rand Paul filibustered for 7 hours. Reid finally stood up and said, no (cloture)! Then somehow it was over. I believe they vote on it Friday now. It's clear who not to vote for based on that.

Edited by ChucktownK, 26 May 2011 - 12:59 PM.


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Posted 26 May 2011 - 01:14 PM

I don't know how I feel about this - I hate the Patriot Act but evidently anyone who is briefed on what it's actually doing seems adamant that it be kept in place (or just have minor changes made).

Trying to figure out an opinion on something you know nothing about in reality only leads to incorrect decisions and Chucktown threads/YouTube video links.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 01:27 PM

I don't know how I feel about this - I hate the Patriot Act but evidently anyone who is briefed on what it's actually doing seems adamant that it be kept in place (or just have minor changes made).

Trying to figure out an opinion on something you know nothing about in reality only leads to incorrect decisions and Chucktown threads/YouTube video links.


Attacks from you indicate I'm on the right path. (defense of assholes act)


:prrr:

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 01:32 PM

Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.

And they're brainwashed so well to do it that they don't even realize they're doing it.

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 02:34 PM

Pick the Target, Freeze It, Personalize It and Polarize It.

And they're brainwashed so well to do it that they don't even realize they're doing it.


Man, people are never gonna wake up. They just blame it on something else or turn their head to "corruption".

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Top Democrat Channels Cheney, Blasts Patriot Act Foes as Osama Pals ...(Wired)

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 03:04 PM

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SOS SOS SOS

Senator Harry Reid wants the Patriotic Act so he can invaded peep spy on opponents against him. Senator Harry Reid is a child and rapist supporter who DOES profits from sex crimes his friends commit.

US Attorney General Eric Holder, helps protects sex crimes on ACTIVIST women who came close to death by throwing out federal casee in Las Vegas, NV. Violating civil rights to help protect invasions and crimes against activist in Las Vegas, NV. committed by Senator Harry Reids organzation terrorist group on Americans.

Senator Harry Reid wants to invade all United States military and veteran records to see who he needs to destroy if they are against his traitor un-American political party.


Now I see the concern

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Posted 26 May 2011 - 09:28 PM

I don't know how I feel about this - I hate the Patriot Act but evidently anyone who is briefed on what it's actually doing seems adamant that it be kept in place (or just have minor changes made).

Trying to figure out an opinion on something you know nothing about in reality only leads to incorrect decisions and Chucktown threads/YouTube video links.


They cant tell us what the Patriot act does, because the terrorists would just quit doing the things that are getting them caught if they knew what we were doing, and I can see the reasoning why that should be kept secret. It has been working since 9/11.

The only problem is that we dont know if they are only using the Patriot Act to keep an eye on terrorists, or are they keeping an eye on all of us?

I would feel more comfortable if I knew that there were some kind of elected officials kind of like judges, whose only responsibility is to keep an eye on the program, who are consulted by intelligence agencies before they can act, and have to have they're permission to do so. The duty of these representatives should be to make sure that the only people being spied on are terrorists, foriegn and domestic, not the average citizen.


I know it is a pipe dream though.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 01:32 AM

An unconstitutional act aimed at fighting terrorism is still an unconstitutional act.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 07:49 AM

Something we can agree on.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 08:37 AM

Lots of things are unconstitutional and done regardless.

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Posted 27 May 2011 - 08:48 AM

Lots of things are unconstitutional and done regardless.


That is a byproduct of our SCOTUS judges being appointed by Congress in a politically oriented fashion.


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