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Anti-Immigration Laws Create Labor Crisis for American Farmers

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I don't agree with that. If illegals were receiving no wage compensation, then they would go elsewhere.

I grew up on a farm and know plenty of practicing farmers. Those farmers pay their employees actually fairly well. You are right that they don't usually include health insurance, instead the farmers will usually pay for any individual employee's medical bills when a visit to the doctor is needed. When a visit to the ER is needed, I think the farmers largely pass that cost onto Medicaid. For the practicing farmers that I do know, I don't know whether their employees have legal or illegal immigration status.

Just because you know some private farmers who do things on the up and up, doesn't make the fact that it happens false. I grew up in a farming area too. The worst exploitations happen on huge Midwest/California/Southeast Corporate owned farms.

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The "they could just go elsewhere" argument also doesn't hold water. It operates under the assumption that these people just showed up at the farm for a job. In the majority of cases for this exploitation that isn't the case.

Human trafficking has become a major issue in the Midwest heartland of America, causing some campaigners to dub it a modern form of slavery.

Figures from the State Department reveal that 17,500 people are trafficked into the US every year against their will or under false pretences, mainly to be used for sex or forced labour. Experts believe that, when cases of internal trafficking are added, the total number of victims could be up to five times larger. And increasing numbers of trafficked individuals are being transported thousands of miles from America's coasts and into heartland states such as Ohio and Michigan.

"It is not only a crime. It is an abomination," said Professor Mark Ensalaco, a political scientist at the University of Dayton, Ohio, who organised a recent conference on the issue. In Ohio a human trafficking commission has just been set up to study the problem, while in the northern Ohio city of Toledo a special FBI task force is tackling the issue. For many local law enforcement officials, it is a bewildering new world

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/22/people-trafficking-usa-prostitution-ohio

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Just because you know some private farmers who do things on the up and up, doesn't make the fact that it happens false. I grew up in a farming area too. The worst exploitations happen on huge Midwest/California/Southeast Corporate owned farms.

Maybe so. Still doesn't take away from the credibility of my statement, which is that enforcing immigration laws against "illegal" immigrants would increase jobs for citizens. I really don't know how you can argue with that. If you suddenly displace an "illegal" from a job and require that the farmer replace that illegal with a US citizen, it creates more jobs for US citizens. My experience has been that most US citizens are too damn sorry to do those jobs though. I certainly wouldn't given an alternative means of earning a living.

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no american is going to pick berries in the beating sun for what you can pay an illegal immigrant to do it in the current state of affairs, this i agree with. so lets keep illegal immigrants with amnesty and sanction the practice so that businesses continue to do that? i have a real problem with that mentality, its exploitative and hypocritical. remove some of the ridiculous social safety net we have that allows people to not work for a living and kick the illegal immigrants out - i promise you that agro business would find a wage not far from where they are at now that these people would work for if they weren't getting endless welfare. hell, you could just get the labor bureau to have an office that keeps the live labor requirements of the local businesses, including agriculture, and when someone comes in to apply just save the paperwork and show them this exciting new job opportunity - instant placement. if they are disinclined, thank them for their time and start talking to the next person in the line who may be sincere.

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I'm not arguing for keeping Illegals working, don't get that mistaken. I'm all for complete deportation of truly Illegal immigrants. I'm just pointing out that exploitation has been happening and now these huge corporate owned farmers are crying because they can't find labor who's willing to live in a shack for 2bucks a day.

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It's not just farms either. I know a LOT of local construction companies in my hometown rely primarily on illegals. They have designated spots where they go stand in the morning if they're looking for work and all the construction workers go and pick them up, no questions asked in most cases.

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Cut welfare/foodstamps and you'll have a work force pickin berries in a heartbeat.

Why work when you can get a cheap hand out? Check this out, what if the Gov matched

what poor folks made in a week? Say you made 300 bucks for a weeks work. The Gov cuts you another 300$ check. You know, helping those who help themselves kind of thing. I can get behind a deal like that.

BTW, Americans have it waaay too ez. My dad's generation punks us to no end.

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It's gonna take time to fill any jobs. I don't know where all these farms are located but I imagine some will require folks to relocate and that doesn't happen overnight for a farming job. I don't know how much farming pays. Probably nothing if illegal immigrants were doing it.

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Anyone in AZ complaining about not having a job should report to a local farmer and ask for one..

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Why would they want to work for so damn cheap in the US when they can just go home and do the same damn thing?? all they do here is live in the same cramped place and take over wal-marts.

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It's gonna take time to fill any jobs. I don't know where all these farms are located but I imagine some will require folks to relocate and that doesn't happen overnight for a farming job. I don't know how much farming pays. Probably nothing if illegal immigrants were doing it.

Arturo S. Rodriguez, president of United Farm Workers, said migrant farm workers are exposed to blistering heat with little or no shade and few water breaks. It's skilled work, he said, requiring produce pickers to be exact and quick. While the best mushroom pickers can earn about $35,000 to $40,000 a year for piece work, there's little chance for a good living and American workers don't seem interested in farm jobs.

"It is extremely difficult, hard, dangerous work," Rodriguez said.

Last year Rodriguez's group started the "Take Our Jobs" campaign to entice American workers to take the fields. He said of about 86,000 inquiries the group got about the offer, only 11 workers took jobs.

http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/etn/news_content.php?id=1619304

Surprisingly the Huddle's own rape-supporting, MLK dissing poster makes yet another wrong assumption. On all counts.

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Cut welfare/foodstamps and you'll have a work force pickin berries in a heartbeat.

Why work when you can get a cheap hand out? Check this out, what if the Gov matched

what poor folks made in a week? Say you made 300 bucks for a weeks work. The Gov cuts you another 300$ check. You know, helping those who help themselves kind of thing. I can get behind a deal like that.

I agree with your plan for helping those who help themselves - it's the way I feel wellfare should be.

However, I continue to find it troubling how easy some folks seem to think getting on wellfare actually is. Let me tell you from experience, it's near impossible to get a government 'hand out' unless you have kids, are unemployed for long periods of time, are female, are disabled, or some combination of those factors.

I tried to apply or medicaid once during college as I couldn't begin to afford insurance and they basically told me it wasn't even worth my time to apply as I was a single male with no kids. Now, what being male/female has to do with it is beyond me. I suppose it's because poor single parents tend to be women. but I was told that does factor in.

It's not as if anyone can quit their job, wait a week, apply for full wellfare benefits and have the government cut them a check for all their expenses every month. It actually is a rather difficult system to get into. The problem is the loopholes that allow illegals to receive the maximum benefits just because they come here and have kids, and the fact that the system isn't designed to help people out in the long-term.

For example, if someone is on wellfare and is receiving $500 worth of food stamps per month, medicaid for themselves and their kid(s), and getting assistance paying their bills (which is extremely difficult to get on a monthly basis actually; that type of assistance is once/twice a year max in most cases). Anyway, if that person were to then get a job working 30 hours per week at roughly minimum wage, their benefits would be cut almost completely.

As a result, that person would actually end up worse off working than they were on wellfare. If they did, as GritsRgreat suggested, continue helping those who find work and are making an effort - lower their benefits, but don't cut them out completely - and deny benefits to those who stay unemployed for years at a time and don't bother trying then the whole system would be more effective in helping people to move on to better things as opposed to staying on wellfare.

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