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#181 thefuzz

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:13 AM

I just have a feeling that Hurney cares about keeping the drafted players over everything else. I think they'll pay Williams pretty well.


Hurney and Fox both overvalued the running back position, it's time to make some changes to a philosophy that doesn't really work any longer.

Look at Ryan Torrain, LeGarrett Blount, Arian Foster, Danny Woodhead. You don't need to have two highly paid RB's on your roster to be successful. In fact, I would and can argue that it is a detriment to your team if you are spending that much money on a position that can be filled so cheaply.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:53 AM

Hey buddy where are your facts?


I've used a lot of facts.. if you've missed them, there are 2 threads worth.. you do the research or search through my posts..

when I say one side has used only conjecture, it's the truth. ;)

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:54 AM

Hurney and Fox both overvalued the running back position, it's time to make some changes to a philosophy that doesn't really work any longer.

Look at Ryan Torrain, LeGarrett Blount, Arian Foster, Danny Woodhead. You don't need to have two highly paid RB's on your roster to be successful. In fact, I would and can argue that it is a detriment to your team if you are spending that much money on a position that can be filled so cheaply.


Ryan Torain? A guy who has played in 12 games in 3 years and hasn't even run for 1000 yards for his career is an example of what we should strive for at the RB position?

As for the other 3, Cam's potential is there, but are we really expecting our passing game to be as heavily dependent on our QB like Freeman, Schaub, and Brady from the get go?

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:57 AM

Ryan Torain? A guy who has played in 12 games in 3 years and hasn't even run for 1000 yards for his career is an example of what we should strive for at the RB position?

As for the other 3, Cam's potential is there, but are we really expecting our passing game to be as heavily dependent on our QB like Freeman, Schaub, and Brady from the get go?


as Freeman? definately....maybe not year 1 but Cam needs to be able handle that type load.

Torain is an example of how scrubs can be plugged in and are done so all the time at RB in the NFL.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:58 AM

Ryan Torain? A guy who has played in 12 games in 3 years and hasn't even run for 1000 yards for his career is an example of what we should strive for at the RB position?

As for the other 3, Cam's potential is there, but are we really expecting our passing game to be as heavily dependent on our QB like Freeman, Schaub, and Brady from the get go?


Are you forgetting Stewart?

That's what you guys don't understand, we have another top flight back sitting behind DWill.

What I am saying is we put too much emphasis on the RB position, and it has been biting us in the ass.

It's time to get into the 2000's.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:15 AM

but, but, but Stewart can't run the ball 90% of the time like DWill can!

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:23 PM

Hurney and Fox both overvalued the running back position, it's time to make some changes to a philosophy that doesn't really work any longer.

Look at Ryan Torrain, LeGarrett Blount, Arian Foster, Danny Woodhead. You don't need to have two highly paid RB's on your roster to be successful. In fact, I would and can argue that it is a detriment to your team if you are spending that much money on a position that can be filled so cheaply.


I can definately see that POV but where it diverges for me is the fact that we have Cam Newton now. We need a very strong run game to be competitive. By the time Newton will have hopefully developed into a franchise QB Williams contract will have expired and it will be Stewarts turn to be scrutinized for being close to 30.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:24 PM

I can definately see that POV but where it diverges for me is the fact that we have Cam Newton now. We need a very strong run game to be competitive. By the time Newton will have hopefully developed into a franchise QB Williams contract will have expired and it will be Stewarts turn to be scrutinized for being close to 30.


and we will have a good run game suitable for a rookie QB w/o Williams. Can use that money to buy someone else to have a bigger impact on making Cam's job easier.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:29 PM

Having Stewart and Williams hasn't hurt us at all. We haven't paid out the ass for them and they've been the bread and butter to the offense. They've been one of the successes, not a hindrance. None of the backs previously mentioned are on the level of double trouble. We've got two top 10(top 5 if you've got homer glasses on) and up and comer who's probably the best 3rd string RB in the league.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:35 PM

Having Stewart and Williams hasn't hurt us at all. We haven't paid out the ass for them and they've been the bread and butter to the offense. They've been one of the successes, not a hindrance. None of the backs previously mentioned are on the level of double trouble. We've got two top 10(top 5 if you've got homer glasses on) and up and comer who's probably the best 3rd string RB in the league.


exactly.....now is definately not the time to do so for an aging Williams. Also today's NFL....having an offense where you have 2 1000 yard rushers is not the way to win football games. The teams winning now that the rules have changed are ones who aren't pounding the rock.

Yes, having 2 1000 yard rushers or watching Chris Johnson put up a 2000 yard season is nice to talk about.....but if that is what you are doing on offense you are fighting an uphill battle.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:39 PM

I think that starting a below average Jake Delhomme 8 games after he should have been benched and not pursuing decent WR's in FA hurt us much more than the over kill of talent the RB position.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:54 PM

I think that starting a below average Jake Delhomme 8 games after he should have been benched and not pursuing decent WR's in FA hurt us much more than the over kill of talent the RB position.


Ding Ding Ding

It's like dudes here forgot all the scrub RBs that we had prior to 2008 so it's just a given that you can plug "anyone" into that role. Eric Shelton, Lamar Smith, Richard Huntley, Biakabutuka, post 2003-Deshaun Foster, etc. are proof that's not the case.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 12:58 PM

Ding Ding Ding

It's like dudes here forgot all the scrub RBs that we had prior to 2008 so it's just a given that you can plug "anyone" into that role. Eric Shelton, Lamar Smith, Richard Huntley, Biakabutuka, post 2003-Deshaun Foster, etc. are proof that's not the case.


I would agree but I don't really like calling Biakabutuka and Deshaun scrubs. I just consider them great talents that fell to a lot of misfortune.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:08 PM

Ding Ding Ding

It's like dudes here forgot all the scrub RBs that we had prior to 2008 so it's just a given that you can plug "anyone" into that role. Eric Shelton, Lamar Smith, Richard Huntley, Biakabutuka, post 2003-Deshaun Foster, etc. are proof that's not the case.


Nick Goings and Brad Hoover could pull off 100 yard games....

Problem is Carolina has been building a running offense.....in a passing league. Drafting for one as well. At times your offense is gonna blow up in your face when that is how you build your team.

If you gotta be good at one thing....it is better to be a passing team currently.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:38 PM

The drafting of 2 QBs and 4 WR in the last 2 drafts proves that we're building a running team.


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