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CatMan72

Yas: Mixed reviews on Cam Newton's Debut

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Ok first off can we grow up and not say 'haters'? Unless you are still in HS, the term is immature as hell.

Second, the guy has a ton to overcome. Dual threat college QB's don't pan out 99% of the time in the NFL. Picking one first overall, normally, is a stupid thing to do. That said, I hope to God he does EXACTLY what you hope he will too.

Steve Young, Donovan McNabb, Steve McNair immediately come to mind

now you name 297 guys that failed when they were given the opportunity to start

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By the way, anyone not supportive of this draft pick now?

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I've been supporting him since the pick was made, but I still want to see him against live NFL defenses before I go as gaga over him as some of you guys (and yes, I know he's a rookie and will make mistakes - I'm not going to think he's a failure after his first pick). He's doing everything right and I don't expect that to change, but he's still got a lot to work on.

As to if I think we should have made a different draft choice, I haven't bothered to think about it since the draft but at that point I wanted a DT or CB. Don't really care now, he's on the team and he's got my full support.

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Second, the guy has a ton to overcome. Dual threat college QB's don't pan out 99% of the time in the NFL. Picking one first overall, normally, is a stupid thing to do. That said, I hope to God he does EXACTLY what you hope he will too.

Oh dear. Throwing in some statistics are we? OK. Let's look at the starters in the NFL that are considered "duel threat" QB's and see how they're doing. Keep in mind, due to age, smarts or both, several of these use their legs mainly to escape trouble/buy time in the pocket:

Top 10 Level:

Michael Vick: Kinda had a good year. The most pure runner taking snaps in the NFL, he's also (for the same reason) one of the most oft injured. Injury being probably the biggest reason you don't want your QB running past the line of scrimmage. That being said, Cam is both bigger and slower than Vick.

Ben Roethlisberger: His feet are mainly for buying time, and is the big goal line runner with an arm everyone hopes Cam can turn into.

Aaron Rodgers: Forgot about the Super Bowl MVP did we? His 356 yards on the ground last year show he's not afraid to pull up, run and not slide.

Mid Tier:

Tony Romo: Again, another "buy time" guy. Certainly slipping as of late.

Josh Freeman: You'll probably accept Freeman over Rodgers as a "running QB." You'll probably not realize that he only rushed for 8 more yards than Rodgers last year. There's a reason for that. Freeman could become big time this year.

Donovan McNabb: Who I think Cam projects towards, good and bad. He certainly keeps to that pocket more now with age. On the decline for sure.

OK. You'll do:

Ryan Fitzpatrick: But...he went to Harvard! He can't be a "mobile QB!"

Colt McCoy: Brittle as dinosaur bones regardless of whether he stays in the pocket, rolls out or darts forward.

The Golden Calf of Bristol: May or may not win the starting job but it's his to lose right now. One of the most pure "runners" on the list.

So, in the end, with the assumption that Cam and Jesus, Jr. take the reigns this year, that's 31.25% of the league that's considered "mobile QB's" who will start. Of those, arguably 3, undeniably 2 are elite status right now. That's not even looking back at previous years.

So, to rehash, 99% you say?

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And by the way, Shamu Russell only had one positive year rushing in college. Averaged 2.7 yards for 142 total his senior year.

BUT HE IS BLACK! HE MUST BE MOBILE!

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A lot of those QBs you can argue aren't dual threat

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Can you argue against Aaron Rodgers or Mike Vick?

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I was at practice tonight. I can count on less than one hand the "terrible" decisions Cam made (really, only one I can recall, that being the interception, which was just a bad throw and bad idea to begin with).

I can also count on my hands alone the "bad" or "poor decisions." Those resulted in overthrown balls, under-thrown balls, and bat-downs that COULD have been interceptions had the DB made a spectacular play.

Cam, while not amazing in his first full-pads practice, was good. I was thoroughly pleased with his performance in his first "real" NFL practice.

Jimmy, on the other hand....:nonod: 2 times he would have been sacked and fumbled had it been a real game. A few picks. A bunch of bad throws. Throws that would have gotten receivers KILLED in a game situation. Just bad. He had 2 great throws. One a deep ball to Gettis that Gettis let go through his hands, and another to I think LaFell or Pilares on a slant or post (can't recall which). The rest was a bunch of what we saw last season. Check down after check down.

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C'mon Jimmy get it together.

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Can you argue against Aaron Rodgers or Mike Vick?

If you want to nitpick yes. Shut down Vick's running and his passing goes way down. Can argue that isn't a true "dual threat" since without his running he sucks

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