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that's a valid point.. however, it's not in reference to what I mentioned in previous posts.. I already explained where I was coming from by saying your team is old. I'm not referring to the majority of your team. I'm talking about the inner workings of what makes your team run smoothly.

what makes your team successful is Michael Turner. That's where it all starts, he's massive and quick. impossible to bring down. but he's been rode hard and dirty. how much longer will he have? I think we can agree 2 more years before he falls off, fast.

without a run game, we both also agree Matty Ice isn't going to thrive in the same way. He's riding that Turner wave because the defense can't Tee off on pass rushing due to Turner (a lot like the Panthers witnessed last year without our run game.. teh defenses were stacking the box daring our QB to throw the ball)..

we also both agree Gonzo is done.. He's been a great safety valve for your QB. You take both of those factors out of your offense and you are left with JJ and Roddy White..

with an average at best QB.. thats going to be a real problem for you all.

all those factors clearly explained and I'm pretty sure we agree with those, I'm not stretching the truth on how football works in the NFL and how your team is setup to succeed..

so with that said, you also spent a lot of draft picks on 1 guy, and your defense needs help.

what kept you from the SB was getting carved up by Aaron Rodgers.. lack of QB pressure was a huge issue and your pass defense suffered greatly..

therefore, when I say age is going to kill your team, KEY positions will degrade the chemistry on the Falcons and the lack of high draft picks is only going to ensure y'all have a huge hill to climb.. without those, and a pooty GM (your words), I don't forsee you all lasting very long in that spotlight..

If we can get an able replacement (top 10) back, success will continue.

And we addressed that lack of QB pressure by getting a consistant, 8 sack guy for a good price.

Matt's growth is key.

If he can just become a "pretty good" QB, I like our chances.

You do not.

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

And talk again in 3 years.

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Does it bother you that Matt Ryan is no longer the most attractive QB in the NFC South? :cam:

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If we can get an able replacement (top 10) back, success will continue.

And we addressed that lack of QB pressure by getting a consistant, 8 sack guy for a good price.

Matt's growth is key.

If he can just become a "pretty good" QB, I like our chances.

You do not.

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

And talk again in 3 years.

8 sack guy playing next to Allen and Williams Wall = 4 sack guy in Atlanta.

Good luck with Edwards....you are going to need it.

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8 sack guy playing next to Allen and Williams Wall = 4 sack guy in Atlanta.

Good luck with Edwards....you are going to need it.

Not really sure why you feel the urge to talk smack about my 13-3 team that added 2 very good players while your 2-14 team continues to flounder.

Wish all you want, but you will be markedly closer to repeating last years' debacle.

Than you will be to 8-8.

Edwards was the 3rd most effective pass rusher last year (per PFF).

While the Williams Wall was a non factor (also per PFF)

The lack of sacks was due to the fact that he plays LE, not RE.

So righty QBs can see him coming.

Resulting in pressure, but not sacks.

And once again, reverting to the main point,

We paid 1/2 as much, and 1/3 as much guaranteed to get him as you did for Johnson.

Charles Johnson is a better player.

But not 2 or 3 times better.

That's a little food for thought.

Bitter, yes, but you're gonna have to eat it eventually.

The quicker you get it down, the better.

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If we can get an able replacement (top 10) back, success will continue.

And we addressed that lack of QB pressure by getting a consistant, 8 sack guy for a good price.

Matt's growth is key.

If he can just become a "pretty good" QB, I like our chances.

You do not.

We are just gonna have to agree to disagree here.

And talk again in 3 years.

MadHatter beat me to the punch.. we'll see in 3 years if Ray Edwards was everything you thought he was..

imagine Peppers here in Carolina, but without the freakish ability.. your defense isn't going to hang with the Packers..

also, what draft picks are you going to ensure you pick up a Top 10 RB? I doubt you find the likes of Michael Turner.. but that's just my opinion..

so yes, we can agree to disagree.. Matty Ice will have to become a real surgeon... we shall see in 3 years.. (if it takes that long)

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The quicker you get it down, the better.

Speaking from experience?

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MadHatter beat me to the punch.. we'll see in 3 years if Ray Edwards was everything you thought he was..

imagine Peppers here in Carolina, but without the freakish ability.. your defense isn't going to hang with the Packers..

also, what draft picks are you going to ensure you pick up a Top 10 RB? I doubt you find the likes of Michael Turner.. but that's just my opinion..

so yes, we can agree to disagree.. Matty Ice will have to become a real surgeon... we shall see in 3 years.. (if it takes that long)

I see that as we have discussed, our views have both gravitated to the middle.

This is what an excellent thread discussion can do.

And by the way...

Turner was a 4th rounder.

RBs are a crapshoot, but we already may have his replacement in Snelling

(Albeit he just turned 27)

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Speaking from experience?

Yes.

I jumped off the "Matty Ice" bandwagon quickly.

And look at me now.

I only got a skinned knee.

But those bums at "falconslife" are in for a rude surprise.

When that wagon goes off the cliff we all know it's headed to...

There's gonna be some severe internal injuries.

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I see that as we have discussed, our views have both gravitated to the middle.

This is what an excellent thread discussion can do.

And by the way...

Turner was a 4th rounder.

RBs are a crapshoot, but we already may have his replacement in Snelling

(Albeit he just turned 27)

RBs are a crapshoot, which makes me curious if you'll manage to find 1 that steps up into Turner's shoes..

Snelling was a great chance of pace back, until he gets full reign, we'll have to play the wait and see game..

I feel pretty strongly that Matty Ice has to step up A LOT because within the next 2-3 years everything is about to fall on JJ and White's shoulders, without any other playmakers, defenses will shut them down to a certain extent causing Matt Ryan to be more of an Aaron Rodgers than a Joe Flacco..

which is what you just said.. the Falcons MUST replace Turner and find a decent TE..

Yes.

I jumped off the "Matty Ice" bandwagon quickly.

And look at me now.

I only got a skinned knee.

But those bums at "falconslife" are in for a rude surprise.

When that wagon goes off the cliff we all know it's headed to...

There's gonna be some severe internal injuries.

this we can agree on, fully..

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Stop with the idiotic sentence spacing because no one here cares what you have to say anyway.

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RBs are a crapshoot, which makes me curious if you'll manage to find 1 that steps up into Turner's shoes..

Snelling was a great chance of pace back, until he gets full reign, we'll have to play the wait and see game..

I feel pretty strongly that Matty Ice has to step up A LOT because within the next 2-3 years everything is about to fall on JJ and White's shoulders, without any other playmakers, defenses will shut them down to a certain extent causing Matt Ryan to be more of an Aaron Rodgers than a Joe Flacco..

which is what you just said.. the Falcons MUST replace Turner and find a decent TE..

this we can agree on, fully..

Agreed.

While we may not be able to find another Turner (Snelling is lesser but a similar player) or Gonzalez (no one ever will),

RB and TE are the two easiest places to find cheap talent at.

QB on the other hand...

And the part I highlighted,

are you sure you meant that?

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Not really sure why you feel the urge to talk smack about my 13-3 team that added 2 very good players while your 2-14 team continues to flounder.

Wish all you want, but you will be markedly closer to repeating last years' debacle.

Than you will be to 8-8.

Edwards was the 3rd most effective pass rusher last year (per PFF).

While the Williams Wall was a non factor (also per PFF)

The lack of sacks was due to the fact that he plays LE, not RE.

So righty QBs can see him coming.

Resulting in pressure, but not sacks.

And once again, reverting to the main point,

We paid 1/2 as much, and 1/3 as much guaranteed to get him as you did for Johnson.

Charles Johnson is a better player.

But not 2 or 3 times better.

That's a little food for thought.

Bitter, yes, but you're gonna have to eat it eventually.

The quicker you get it down, the better.

Well if were using PFF as a source. They had Charles Johnson as the second rated 4-3 DE and worthy of Dpoy. If he can play like this conistently I don't see why he isn't worth it.

James Anderson finished third in the 4-3 OLB rankings. (far from the okay season you stated) If he keeps producing seasons like that, why wouldn't he be worthy of the contract?

Both of these didn't just come out of nowhere, in their years before hand they showed they were capable of playing at a high level when they saw the field and confirmed this when they had the whole season this year.

And again Davis contract will not hurt us if he is injured this year. Not sure why your disputing this

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id/23267/panthers-got-creative-with-thomas-davis

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