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#31 MadHatter

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:49 PM

I'm not making this up. Jimmy Clausen's performance last year was the worst QBing we've ever had. Carr was better than Jimmy.

David Carr, 2007 Panthers
Games - 6
Games Started - 4
Completions - 73
Attempts - 136
Comp. % - 53.7
Yards - 635
TD - 3
INT - 5
Rating - 58.3

Fumbles - 1

Jimmy Clausen, 2010 Panthers
Games - 13
Games Started - 10
Completions - 157
Attempts - 299
Comp. % - 52.5
Yards - 1558
TD - 3
INT - 9
Rating - 58.4

Fumbles - 9

Jimmy's rating is .1 better... but the guy had the same number of TDs, and 4 more interceptions, a lower completion percentage, and EIGHT more fumbles. The worst play we've had in a QB ever, and I'm sticking to it.


OK...I will play your stat game.

Cam went 8/19 (42% completion)....0 TD's....a sub 60 passer rating.

Kind of looks like Jimmy's avg stats for last season.

Neither Cam nor Jimmy looked great last night....and they did not look bad either. They were both OK.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:53 PM

OK...I will play your stat game.

Cam went 8/19 (42% completion)....0 TD's....a sub 60 passer rating.

Kind of looks like Jimmy's avg stats for last season.

Neither Cam nor Jimmy looked great last night....and they did not look bad either. They were both OK.


Ok? You do know this was a preseason game, right?

Last year, Clausen looked great in the preseason. A bunch of people were saying he looked like a starter (including myself).

Jimmy's stats I posted are from real regular season games. They tell a story of his poor performance.

Now... we can have this discussion on Sept. 12th about stats and what not if Newton gets the start. Otherwise... again... this is preseason.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:55 PM

Don't forget Lefell had a stupid step out of bounds which ended the drive and caused a 3 and out.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:55 PM

didn't you pretty much already do that?


qft.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:56 PM

Ok? You do know this was a preseason game, right?

Last year, Clausen looked great in the preseason. A bunch of people were saying he looked like a starter (including myself).

Jimmy's stats I posted are from real regular season games. They tell a story of his poor performance.

Now... we can have this discussion on Sept. 12th about stats and what not if Newton gets the start. Otherwise... again... this is preseason.


How did Clausen look "great" in preseason? We did not score a single TD in preseason.

I am not debating the whole JC vs. CN thing. I am just saying that both QB's looked just "OK" last night. However, everyone is still trying to bash JC's play and make excuses for Cam's incompletions.

Neither played bad....but neither played great.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:57 PM

Cam seems to fit a vertical offense more than Clausen is really all that showed in game 1......primarly b/c of his strength in the pocket with pressure and arm strength. That doesn't mean Cam is good yet though in the offense.

Fit is something not talked about enough IMO when it comes to the NFL. Your unique skill set fitting or not fitting is huge in this league.


You mean the pressure that he wouldn't step up into and was constantly throwing off his back foot because? The pressure that made him look scared in the pocket causing countless errant throws?

Yeah, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal strong point for him.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:59 PM

You mean the pressure that he wouldn't step up into and was constantly throwing off his back foot because? The pressure that made him look scared in the pocket causing countless errant throws?

Yeah, reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal strong point for him.


you thought clausen performed better than Cam?

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 03:59 PM

Cam's stats fall drastically short of how he played. Both those incompletes in the end zones could (and probably would) have gone for interference calls in the regular season. There were also several drops as well.

Clausen was wildly ineffective for most of the game and benefitted greatly from the run game and a great catch by Olsen. Anderson looked better than Clausen.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:01 PM

How did Clausen look "great" in preseason? We did not score a single TD in preseason.


He was making some good throws. He looked like he had poise.

I am not debating the whole JC vs. CN thing. I am just saying that both QB's looked just "OK" last night. However, everyone is still trying to bash JC's play and make excuses for Cam's incompletions.


Then, uh, why'd you bring up Newton's 1-game preseason stats?

Neither played bad....but neither played great.


Actually... Jimmy looked like Jimmy from last year. Newton looked like a rookie who's had three weeks to train with his team. No, neither one of them looked great.

And I thought you weren't debating JC vs. CN. thing anyhow.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:01 PM

you thought clausen performed better than Cam?


They both played poorly.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:02 PM

:rolleyes:
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Truth.

Clausen scores, cam gets 2 field goals.

Clausen haters will hate him no matter what he does.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:03 PM

They both played poorly.


Newton did not play poorly.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:03 PM

Truth.

Clausen scores, cam gets 2 field goals.

Clausen haters will hate him no matter what he does.


Clausen also scored a TD for the Giants too.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:03 PM

Cam's stats fall drastically short of how he played. Both those incompletes in the end zones could (and probably would) have gone for interference calls in the regular season. There were also several drops as well.

Clausen was wildly ineffective for most of the game and benefitted greatly from the run game and a great catch by Olsen. Anderson looked better than Clausen.


Jimmy's ball to Olsen was better than Cam's ball to either Olsen or Armanti

Cam benefited greatly from the screen game.

Cam only had 1 drop (possibly two if you count the bad ball to Clowney)

Both were bad.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 04:04 PM

Newton did not play poorly.


Everything proves otherwise