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Sam bradfords first preseason start VS Cams

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Wasn't that Sam's stat after his third preseason game? This is what it says

Yes, but Cam's numbers posted in the OP and the title of the thread implied the OP was talking about his numbers as a starter.

Here is the OP:

Sam bradfords first preseason start VS Cams

Sam bradford - 6-of-13 passes for 57 yards

Cam newton - 7 of 14 passes for 66 yards

Stop worrying

If we're talking about the first preseason game they played in, it should read:

Sam Bradford - 6/13, 57 yards

Cam Newton - 8/19, 134 yards.

But the OP was clearly looking for Bradford's first numbers *as a starter* based on the title of the post and the numbers from Cam he used.

All this is silly, preseason stats mean nothing...

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So does that mean that you could use this for Clausen too? Something along the lines of.

Terry Bradshaw- Horrible Rookie Campaign.

Jimmy Clausen- Horrible Rookie Campaign.

Stop worrying?

If not, then there's a lot of bias here...

Except unlike Clausen Bradshaw had a rocket arm and confidence out his a** and the reason he struggled was he forced alot of stuff deep.He also was a leader, no for Jimmay. He went on to win 4 Super Bowls btw

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Sam Bradford will never be an NFL QB. :rolleyes:

BTW the point of the OP isn't to compare the games and saying Cam = Bradford or Cam > Bradford.

His point is quit getting you panties in a bunch and fretting over these numbers. They mean poo to you, to me, and most importantly to Ron Rivera.

These games are not what Ron Rivera will base his decision off of. They don't practice just to slapass around. In actuality that is where the real work is being done.

Cam probably isn't ready to start. But Jimmy is so close to him it makes no sense not to start Cam IMO. If Jimmy was lighting it up and throwing darts all over the field I would be 100% percent behind sitting Cam for a while.

The reality is that Clausen and Cam are about equal at this point. Therefore a tie goes to the #1 pick.

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they don't mean anything in the preseason, but if you're going to compare the first preseason starts of rookies for some stupid reason, you might as well actually use the right numbers.

:lol: you make a good point

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Except unlike Clausen Bradshaw had a rocket arm and confidence out his a** and the reason he struggled was he forced alot of stuff deep.He also was a leader, no for Jimmay. He went on to win 4 Super Bowls btw

Thanks for missing the obvious point. If they gave up on him after one season, boy would they have looked like idiots.

Check out Troy Aikman as well.

If you were alive back then and lived it, then you'd know what you're talking about. If you were, then kuddos to you. I wasn't but I know he had a really bad season, Bradshaw I mean.

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His point was, "Hey, don't panic, look how Bradford did in his first preseason start, clearly preseason doesn't predict the regular season!" He's right that we shouldn't panic, but come on, if you're going to make that point with numbers (which you don't need to, it's the f'ing preseason) you probably want to use the numbers that support your position and are actually correct. The real numbers for what he described don't support his position - but I'm being a smartass here, not trying to prove we should panic, I just hate when people misuse numbers (like saying "Jimmy is going to be Carr because he had lots of sacks!" or "Jimmy is going to be Aikman cause Aikman blew as a rookie too!")

The one thing to take from this is that Bradford didn't look ready to start in the preseason either for part of it and he improved quick, so our young QBs might too.

Also, while some idiot analysts may be saying that Cam will never be an NFL QB, the majority of people don't seem to be giving him a ton of poo and he seemed to actually get pretty favorable responses from his first game, and I've seen people say this last game he showed potential, so I don't get where all this "EVERYONE HATES CAM YOU GUYS ARE ALL SO MEAN TO HIM COMPARED TO HOW THEY WERE TO BRADFORD" is coming (which, btw, wasn't even true - bradford took lumps in his first 2 preseason games, too)

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Thanks for missing the obvious point. If they gave up on him after one season, boy would they have looked like idiots.

Check out Troy Aikman as well.

If you were alive back then and lived it, then you'd know what you're talking about. If you were, then kuddos to you. I wasn't but I know he had a really bad season, Bradshaw I mean.

First, i was

Secondly, you missed the obvious point I made which was Bradshaw didn't struggle for lack of talent. He and Clausen were polar opposites. As a side note it would do some people well to look at each rookies struggles separately. There are no absolutes.

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look at each rookies struggles separately. There are no absolutes.

agreed, which is why we don't really know if Clausen could improve in his second year given proper coaching etc, which was Ivan's point I suspect.

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agreed, which is why we don't really know if Clausen could improve in his second year given proper coaching etc, which was Ivan's point I suspect.

Basically, mine is Jimmy doesnt have comparable talent

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Basically, mine is Jimmy doesnt have comparable talent

True not to Bradshaw, but he does have talent and thats the thing almost everybody seems to be ruling out now that the number one overall pick is playing on the same team.

And i think ( just my personal opinion ) Jimmy has more potential at being a successful NFL quarterback than Cam will. Look back to when he played at a junior college note: for only one year, was it a pro style offense...no. Look back at Auburn note: for only one year, was it a pro style offense...no. Now look at Jimmy at Notre Dame note: for three years, was it a pro style offense...yes.

So ( once again my personal opinion ) Jimmy in the long run has more potential to help our panthers rather than hurt them, as what would happen if you were to just throw Cam Newton into the mix with a team that is still trying to find its identity.

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