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#91 Urrymonster

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 07:23 AM

I am actually amazed that people genuinely think Newton played the same as Clausen. Clausen had one wildly off throw, which was clearly him throwing to a different route than the WR, rather than just a completely inaccurate throw. He also felt pressure pretty well in this game and moved in the pocket to buy himself some time. The sack was a botched shotgun snap, which meant he had to catch it off the ground, to stand up and be sacked immediately. He had a couple of really nice accurate throws and never seemed to be getting frustrated.

Cam on the other hand looked frustrated and rarely set himself in the pocket, constantly throwing off the back foot or worse. Some really badly thrown passes too. It was no surprise that as soon as the passing lanes weren't there, he started looking to run for no real reason. Once again, I am yet to see that bulldozer ability that everyone was convinced would translate. The guy is not an elusive runner and powered through arm tackles in college, that won't fly int he NFL.

To me, it's pretty clear Clausen should start.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 07:47 AM

Even though both put up similar numbers throwing the ball, it comes down to two things, points and 3rd down conversions. If my numbers are wrong, its because I'm going off memory, so feel free to correct if I'm incorrect!

Newton - 0 points, 0 3rd downs
Clausen - 10 points, some 3rd downs.

Now Newton didn't have especially great field position, or any turn overs to give him uber field position like Clausen got. Then again, it comes down to taking advantages of opportunity, which Clausen did. Was he amazing? No. But he was steady, which is a STARK improvement over last year.

So where does this leave us regarding judging both Cam and Jimmay? Not much, as the preseason isn't game planned really well. Lets see what happens this week in practice (thanks to those who post!). Lets see what the coaches decide, as it's their job on the line. For me, I give Jimmy the edge by a small amount, on a scale of 1-10 where 1 is Jimmy 2010 and 10 is Philip Rivers, I say Cam was a 4, and Jimmy a 5. Those 3rd down conversions were key to me at least.

#93 Raleighcat83

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 08:05 AM

So, do we think the announcement that Cam's the starter comes today or tomorrow?

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 08:40 AM

Wow...we're still splitting hairs...Okay..

Here is Sam Bradford's situation last year during his rookie preseason outting and tell me what's the difference between Cam and him...No one harping or intentionally over analyzing how perfectly set his feet were or how inaccurate he was with his throws..

The No. 1 overall pick had an early case of the jitters, short-arming a pitch and bobbling a snap the first two plays, looked poised while hitting four of his first five passes, then ended with an extended rough patch in the Minnesota Vikings’ 28-7 preseason-opening victory Saturday night.

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Bradford completed only two of his last eight passes against Vikings second-teamers, finishing 6 of 13 for 57 yards while getting sacked four times

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After reading those reviews on Sam and realized that not only were his numbers not that off from Cam's but in certain cases, Cam handled his pressure better than him I wonder would any of u been saying the same thing about Sam as u are Cam.

#95 Ted Stryker

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 08:56 AM

Sure they would, and like Bradford there is no strong incumbent starter which is why I think he should play

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:00 AM

Cam's problems have always been about technique. Why? Athletic QBs got where they are through superior arm strength or their legs, sometimes both. However, the best QBs were not great athletes because they had to be accurate and smart. When your legs will not bail you out or your arm strength cannot compensate for poor decisions, then intelligence and self-dicipline come into focus.

Look at The Golden Calf of Bristol. All that stuff he was doing before the draft to prove he can play QB in the NFL. But when the heat is on, he instinctively resorts back to the things that he has always used-running ability. His mechanics slip back to what they were like at UF.

Bronco Depth chart: Orton>Quinn>The Golden Calf of Bristol.

Athletically, The Golden Calf of Bristol>Quinn>Orton.

Fixing the problems is no small task. I did not want Cam because he needed too much work and we would not have the summer to fix them/learn the playbook. People called me racist. I see his awesome talent. I think he can be the real deal with Shula and I am very impressed with Cam vs. Clausen. However, not yet with Cam vs. NFL.

Go Shula--But starting Cam now does not mean wins, as we saw Friday. Nor did Cam do much to help us win vs. the Giants. So, why does everyone want him to start game one again?

#97 CarolinaKat

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:32 AM

Newton - 0 points, 0 3rd downs
Clausen - 10 points, some 3rd downs.



Newton played against starters for a half. Jimmy played backups. After watching both videos Newton still to me needs to be the one starting game 1.

In the MIA game I'd have to say it was the defense that was the biggest let down

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:40 AM

Actually, I was being facetious

But I do wonder though if there isn't a camp here that deep down feels that way.


People who often wonder things like this about others, are usually feeling this deep down themselves.

Phychology 101

I don't think anyone here would discredit video footage of a QB for the Panthers that is making plays just because of their race, and to bring it up tells us all more about you than it does any of 'us'.

Wake the hell up people, people don't watch football for all the different races. A football player is a football player.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:46 AM

I can't believe some of you are using 3rd down conversions from that crappy game as reasons to why Clausen should start. DLo had 3 rushes for 6 yards. It was obvious that they wanted to evaluate Cam more so than Jimmy. Oh and for a rookie Cam protects the ball really well. I still think the starter will be Cam, but if it's Clausen I'm cool with that too. I hope they announce the starter today as planned.

#100 Ted Stryker

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:49 AM

People who often wonder things like this about others, are usually feeling this deep down themselves.

Phychology 101

I don't think anyone here would discredit video footage of a QB for the Panthers that is making plays just because of their race, and to bring it up tells us all more about you than it does any of 'us'.

Wake the hell up people, people don't watch football for all the different races. A football player is a football player.


yeah, I actually take up for the black guy cause I don't want him to play...try again

#101 Urrymonster

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:57 AM

Newton played against starters for a half. Jimmy played backups. After watching both videos Newton still to me needs to be the one starting game 1.

In the MIA game I'd have to say it was the defense that was the biggest let down


What were the important take homes from the Giants game as well?

Through two games Clausen has had a better points tally and 3rd down completion rate. He's made a better percentage of throws and has a better ypa.

Clausen has turned it over once compared to Cam's zero, which is pretty much the only thing Cam is 'winning' on. Sorry he has more rushing yards...:rolleyes:

Edited by Urrymonster, 21 August 2011 - 09:59 AM.


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Posted 21 August 2011 - 09:59 AM

Jimmy has showed no seperation from Cam so far, and thats after improving.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:02 AM

Jimmy has showed no seperation from Cam so far, and thats after improving.


Except for being more accurate and more patient, and generally more poised.

He also hasn't run around with a massive grin on his face and looked determined.

He has completed more passes for a better ypa, has taken shots downfield and moved the chains more consistently.

Cam has had about 5-6 genuine highlights, then rest is full of inconsistencies. Talent, sure. I want him to be polished before he is put into live action because it will give more time for his natural tendencies to be over-written by genuine technique.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:03 AM

I've always wanted to do this but, you know, effort.

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:04 AM

Also, and this is for real real talk, you need to rename these in the future and just share them on this forum.

The NFL are assholes about these things and they will have them deleted. Get enough deleted and youtube will IP ban you.

Just make them like CPMD:CAM:8/19/11


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