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#25 Scrumtrilescent

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:00 PM

Once Stalin got his hands on it.

Yes yes Fiz, we get that theoretically once the proletariat grasps the concept of how much better a society of equals is, that no government, police force, or even military should be necessary.
All the garbage he espouses in the Manifesto.

But human nature led to the fall of, in this case, the USSR.
Government corruption is just a different kind of corruption than the corporate variant.

The communist dream is a joke, can't be achieved as long as human beings want more and crave power/money, and no amount of political indoctrination will EVER remove that.

Ergo, no communist system will last much longer than the evil plutocracy they despise so much that it replaced.

Bang, crunch, bang, crunch.

As to the Utopia collapse, I meant it as a Utopia for the adherents to the political philosophy, not those of us that believe it to be more likely just a different kind of hell. Therefore not a true Utopia, therefore still subject to destruction.

A slightly more miserable human condition than it's political opposite.

Greed....it's a wonderful thing. It helped get us to the top of the evolutionary ladder and then we're supposed to just turn it off....gimme your sammich, beyotch.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:04 PM

Greed....it's a wonderful thing. It helped get us to the top of the evolutionary ladder and then we're supposed to just turn it off....gimme your sammich, beyotch.


As usual, you said it better, shorter, and funnier than I did.


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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:06 PM

Once Stalin got his hands on it.

As to the Utopia collapse, I meant it as a Utopia for the adherents to the political philosophy


do you think leninst russia was a pure marxist state cause uh i have news for you

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:10 PM

Of course not, I'm not an idiot.

But if you think it wasn't considered the template for the closest thing we have HAD thus far to his system in implementation rather than just in theory, then uh i have news for you

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:13 PM

But if you think it wasn't considered the template for the closest thing we have HAD thus far to his system in implementation rather than just in theory, then uh i have news for you


that'd actually probably be calvinist geneva

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:17 PM

Don't you think that burg was a bit to Bible-y to be classified amongst the marxists?

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:21 PM

Don't you think that burg was a bit to Bible-y to be classified amongst the marxists?


replace belief/fear in god with general desire to better humanity and it's the same thing

actually religious communities offer very good structural examples.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:25 PM

Yes, both equally toxic and misguided. ;)

I think that's a reach.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:35 PM

I think that's a reach.


the base word of communism isn't a mistake

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:40 PM

Maybe you are right.

Calvin murdered people too, just like Stalin.

A community united in faith seems different to me than a community united in the secular betterment of all, since the ultimate focus is not nearly the same. Some of the tools, yes. Not the goal.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:06 PM

Actually, I believe he said it on 9/11 ... just before the attacks were reported.


That's what I was referring to, but wasn't very clear.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:27 PM

are you trying to defend rush by creating an equivalency between him and james carville because uh


Rush never actually said he wanted Obama to fail. so, uh...