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#31 Fiz

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:21 PM

Don't you think that burg was a bit to Bible-y to be classified amongst the marxists?


replace belief/fear in god with general desire to better humanity and it's the same thing

actually religious communities offer very good structural examples.

#32 Epistaxis

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:25 PM

Yes, both equally toxic and misguided. ;)

I think that's a reach.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:35 PM

I think that's a reach.


the base word of communism isn't a mistake

#34 Epistaxis

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 02:40 PM

Maybe you are right.

Calvin murdered people too, just like Stalin.

A community united in faith seems different to me than a community united in the secular betterment of all, since the ultimate focus is not nearly the same. Some of the tools, yes. Not the goal.

#35 MyDrunkardNC

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:06 PM

Actually, I believe he said it on 9/11 ... just before the attacks were reported.


That's what I was referring to, but wasn't very clear.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:27 PM

are you trying to defend rush by creating an equivalency between him and james carville because uh


Rush never actually said he wanted Obama to fail. so, uh...

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 03:45 PM

The bolded part is very telling.

http://www.foxnews.c...nted-bush-fail/

On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001, just minutes before learning of the terrorist attacks on America, Democratic strategist James Carville was hoping for President Bush to fail, telling a group of Washington reporters: "I certainly hope he doesn't succeed."

Carville was joined by Democratic pollster Stanley Greenberg, who seemed encouraged by a survey he had just completed that revealed public misgivings about the newly minted president.

"We rush into these focus groups with these doubts that people have about him, and I'm wanting them to turn against him," Greenberg admitted.

The pollster added with a chuckle of disbelief: "They don't want him to fail. I mean, they think it matters if the president of the United States fails."


Minutes later, as news of the terrorist attacks reached the hotel conference room where the Democrats were having breakfast with the reporters, Carville announced: "Disregard everything we just said! This changes everything!"

The press followed Carville's orders, never reporting his or Greenberg's desire for Bush to fail. The omission was understandable at first, as reporters were consumed with chronicling the new war on terror. But months and even years later, the mainstream media chose to never resurrect those controversial sentiments, voiced by the Democratic Party's top strategists, that Bush should fail.

That omission stands in stark contrast to the feeding frenzy that ensued when radio host Rush Limbaugh recently said he wanted President Obama to fail. The press devoted wall-to-wall coverage to the remark, suggesting that Limbaugh and, by extension, conservative Republicans, were unpatriotic.

"The most influential Republican in the United States today, Mr. Rush Limbaugh, said he did not want President Obama to succeed," Carville railed on CNN recently. "He is the daddy of this Republican Congress."

Limbaugh, a staunch conservative, emphasized that he is rooting for the failure of Obama's liberal policies.

"The difference between Carville and his ilk and me is that I care about what happens to my country," Limbaugh told Fox on Wednesday. "I am not saying what I say for political advantage. I oppose actions, such as Obama's socialist agenda, that hurt my country.

"I deal in principles, not polls," Limbaugh added. "Carville and people like him live and breathe political exploitation. This is all a game to them. It's not a game to me. I am concerned about the well-being and survival of our nation. When has Carville ever advocated anything that would benefit the country at the expense of his party?"

Carville told Politico that focusing on Limbaugh is a deliberate strategy aimed at undermining Republicans.

"The television cameras just can't stay away from him," he said. "Our strategy depends on him keeping talking, and I think we're going to succeed."

Greenberg added: "He's driving the Republican reluctance to deal with Obama, which Americans want."

In 2006, 51 percent of Democrats wanted Bush to fail, according to a FOX News/Opinion Dynamics poll.



#38 Matt Foley

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 06:14 PM

That was before we were at wawuh!

#39 Sheldon Wolowizard

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 07:57 PM

I think what Obama is living in a dream.

In his world everyone will work for the betterment of everyone else. Unfortunately it is lunacy to believe that. We have a welfare system and medicare system going broke to prove it.

I for one do not believe it my responsibility to provide for anyone other than my family and those that are defending my freedom. I will not put on a mantle of guilt on my shoulders and happily contribute everything I work for to the betterment of someone who means absolutely nothing to me.

I hope Obama fails. I hope he fails completely and totally.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:43 PM

Wow, you know a lot about his world.

#41 Matt Foley

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 06:54 AM

Wow, you know a lot about his world.


Let's all hold hands for nuclear peace.

#42 cookinwithgas

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 08:03 AM

Don't touch me.

#43 SMACKDAB

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Posted 13 March 2009 - 08:08 AM

When this spending spree is over............get back at me.


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