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#13 d-dave

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 04:39 AM

Interesting...my wife and I have been dealing with this issue as of late. We both teach, and some (or in her case many) of our students are here illegally. The vast majority are under 18 and have been here since they were brought here by their parents as small children. Some of these kids are really wonderful. Smart, polite, hard working, just great people. So the problem we face is that because we have to offer them education in the public setting, yet the laws currently aren't allowing them to get any post high school education how then do we encourage these students to want to achieve high results in schools and associated test scores? Wow, that's probably a run on sentence. My wife is the english teacher after all.

I know that the conservative bias on this board is pretty high, but can anyone tell me why preventing these students from going after some type of post high school education is so bad? How does it hurt our country? They would still have to figure out how to pay for it just like everyone else. Personally, I am having a hard time figuring out how allowing those illegal immigrants who meet certain requirements the ability to go to college. Anyone?

The positives, wow, I can see a lot of those.
1. Reduction in latino gang involvement. These illegal immigrant kids join gangs because its the only organization that will ensure them some kind of future. I think reducing the number of kids going into gangs is a common goal.
2. Stronger latino communities gaining upward mobility because of better education and jobs.
3. Increased tax revenue as these upwardly mobile people buy things like houses, cars, and other goods as well as more income taxes paid from legal, high paying jobs.
4. Greater national pride in America. A new generation of people who truely appreciate the opportunities afforded by the USA.

I have to stop because I have to get ready for work, but I do not see a lot of "bad" in the Dream act. So long as their are requirements for those using the Dream act so its not an easy gateway to legal status for the negative aspects of latino society, what do we have to lose?

And you know what, if they push the whites and blacks out of their jobs, then good. That's capitalism. You have to earn your keep. There has been too much incompetence in our work force for far too long.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 06:11 AM

Interesting...my wife and I have been dealing with this issue as of late. We both teach, and some (or in her case many) of our students are here illegally. The vast majority are under 18 and have been here since they were brought here by their parents as small children. Some of these kids are really wonderful. Smart, polite, hard working, just great people. So the problem we face is that because we have to offer them education in the public setting, yet the laws currently aren't allowing them to get any post high school education how then do we encourage these students to want to achieve high results in schools and associated test scores? Wow, that's probably a run on sentence. My wife is the english teacher after all.

I know that the conservative bias on this board is pretty high, but can anyone tell me why preventing these students from going after some type of post high school education is so bad? How does it hurt our country? They would still have to figure out how to pay for it just like everyone else. Personally, I am having a hard time figuring out how allowing those illegal immigrants who meet certain requirements the ability to go to college. Anyone?

The positives, wow, I can see a lot of those.
1. Reduction in latino gang involvement. These illegal immigrant kids join gangs because its the only organization that will ensure them some kind of future. I think reducing the number of kids going into gangs is a common goal.
2. Stronger latino communities gaining upward mobility because of better education and jobs.
3. Increased tax revenue as these upwardly mobile people buy things like houses, cars, and other goods as well as more income taxes paid from legal, high paying jobs.
4. Greater national pride in America. A new generation of people who truely appreciate the opportunities afforded by the USA.

I have to stop because I have to get ready for work, but I do not see a lot of "bad" in the Dream act. So long as their are requirements for those using the Dream act so its not an easy gateway to legal status for the negative aspects of latino society, what do we have to lose?

And you know what, if they push the whites and blacks out of their jobs, then good. That's capitalism. You have to earn your keep. There has been too much incompetence in our work force for far too long.


First, your illegal students should be thrilled they are allowed to attend our crowded public schools for free.

I'm not trying to deny any legal resident an education. Why do people ignore the ILLEGAL part of illegal alien? Why should we reduce the cost of college for one group of people? Do you know how many people that are not US citizens come here to get college educations in the U.S.? Get a student Visa. If we are going to go down this path, I want my son to have the same opportunities. He should be able to attend any school in the U.S. for that schools in-state tuition.

Edited by SouthCakPanther, 12 March 2009 - 06:21 AM.


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Posted 12 March 2009 - 06:14 AM

I know that the conservative bias on this board is pretty high,...


:lol: This statement needs to go into the hall of fame. I can count on one hand, the number of conservative voices on this board.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 06:27 AM

If you would not whine enough for 5 liberals, that might help this perception.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 06:41 AM

If you would not whine enough for 5 liberals, that might help this perception.


I didn't know liberals woke up this early.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 07:04 AM

First, your illegal students should be thrilled they are allowed to attend our crowded public schools for free.

I'm not trying to deny any legal resident an education. Why do people ignore the ILLEGAL part of illegal alien? Why should we reduce the cost of college for one group of people? Do you know how many people that are not US citizens come here to get college educations in the U.S.? Get a student Visa. If we are going to go down this path, I want my son to have the same opportunities. He should be able to attend any school in the U.S. for that schools in-state tuition.


We have a winner folks!!!

For primary and even secondary education I'm willing to look past this fact and allow them in our public schools. I can accept that K-12 they are largely victims of circumstance as their parents brought them here. But when it comes to post-secondary education, whether it be the local community college, the state university, or even the big over endowed private school no residency should equal no admittance. They are by and large adults at that point and their remaining in the country is a big middle finger to our laws and the rest of us.

They are criminals.

They shouldn't get special privileges simply because they broke the law and haven't been caught yet.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 07:58 AM

I just think it's a slap in the face to those students who attended an out-of-state school and now have huge student loans to repay. If the Dream Act passes, I think we should go to every U.S. citizen who attended or is attending an out-of-state school and reduce their loans down to the in-state rate. Only fair right?

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 08:31 AM

I know that the conservative bias on this board is pretty high,


:smilielol5: thats awesome

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 08:51 AM

I didn't know liberals woke up this early.


Another addition to the enormous list of things you don't know.

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:30 AM

Another addition to the enormous list of things you don't know.


Is this list in addition to the list my wife keeps about me? Or is this a seperate list?

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 09:53 AM

The problem with calling these people criminals and thus discounting their education process is that it isn't so black and white. When you were 17, did you pass a speed limit sign saying 45, looked down at the speedodometer registering 54 and didn't make the effort to slow down? Did you ever egg someone's house? Smoke a joint? Those are definance of the laws that have no constructive (positive) outcome to society in general. Now compare that to a child being placed in a possible hostile environment to cross a border and living in fear of deporation just trying to educate him/herself. How many college kids have you met who were only there to party and flunked out? I knew a lot.

Is an ungrateful citizen really that much more important than a humble illegal? Is being a citizen the see all be all of being able to do things in this country?

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Posted 12 March 2009 - 10:00 AM

Murph, I'm not saying keep them out of college. I am saying that they shouldn't get in-state tuition if they are illegal and undocumented. Get a student Visa and pay whatever those rates are, or pay out of state tuition. Take out a loan like the rest of America and spend the rest of your life paying it back.