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It doesn't seem like a lot of you recognize that the most inspiring and impacting testimony comes from those that have fallen from the greatest heights. I do not personally like Vick all that much, but one can easily see the commonalities that these two share in regards to having minor transgressions in their college careers, being taken first overall in the draft, and being ethnically and athletically unique to their positions and what these two could potentially discuss that nobody else on the planet could discuss.

I hope Vick advised Cam to not make the same mistakes he made coming into the league. I don't think he will as I think that Cam is a better man than Vick was coming into the league, but it never hurts to have a person that has "been there", do the talking instead of all these figures that Cam could never relate to telling them stories like they know what he's feeling right now.

I don't see how anything but positive results could come from this one.

If Cam Newton didn't already know that dogfighting, animal cruelty, obscene gestures towards fans, sexual assault, & marijuana were off-limits then our FO made the wrong pick.

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It doesn't seem like a lot of you recognize that the most inspiring and impacting testimony comes from those that have fallen from the greatest heights. I do not personally like Vick all that much, but one can easily see the commonalities that these two share in regards to having minor transgressions in their college careers, being taken first overall in the draft, and being ethnically and athletically unique to their positions and what these two could potentially discuss that nobody else on the planet could discuss.

I hope Vick advised Cam to not make the same mistakes he made coming into the league. I don't think he will as I think that Cam is a better man than Vick was coming into the league, but it never hurts to have a person that has "been there", do the talking instead of all these figures that Cam could never relate to telling them stories like they know what he's feeling right now.

I don't see how anything but positive results could come from this one.

but don't you understand? now they're going to get together and drink 40s and run a massive dogfighting ring. all because cam spoke to mike vick.

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It doesn't seem like a lot of you recognize that the most inspiring and impacting testimony comes from those that have fallen from the greatest heights. I do not personally like Vick all that much, but one can easily see the commonalities that these two share in regards to having minor transgressions in their college careers, being taken first overall in the draft, and being ethnically and athletically unique to their positions and what these two could potentially discuss that nobody else on the planet could discuss.

I hope Vick advised Cam to not make the same mistakes he made coming into the league. I don't think he will as I think that Cam is a better man than Vick was coming into the league, but it never hurts to have a person that has "been there", do the talking instead of all these figures that Cam could never relate to telling them stories like they know what he's feeling right now.

I don't see how anything but positive results could come from this one.

Wow. Great post. Well put, very objective and even-keeled...

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i swear, some of you people must think cam is retarded. it's p insulting to cam to think that this might negatively impact him.

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The emoticon person neg repped me and called me a Vick lover for not liking a photo of a mutilated dog.

It seems to me like wanting to look at that makes you pretty similar to Vick in the first place.

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The emoticon person neg repped me and called me a Vick lover for not liking a photo of a mutilated dog.

It seems to me like wanting to look at that makes you pretty similar to Vick in the first place.

You neg repped me because I posted a picture of what Vick, your idol, represents.

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Who the hell really neg reps people?

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that ****** dog picture is disgusting...

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If Cam Newton didn't already know that dogfighting, animal cruelty, obscene gestures towards fans, sexual assault, & marijuana were off-limits then our FO made the wrong pick.

The point is not that Vick didn't know those things were not the right things to do. He knew they were wrong and he did them anyways because he was invincible in his own mind. He had people telling him he was going to be the greatest NFL player of all time since he was playing peewee. Michael Vick was poorly equipped to handle what was coming to him in the millions of dollars he was worth to Virginia Tech and the millions of dollars he was given by the Atlanta Falcons. Much in the same way that Cam Newton was not prepared for what faced him at Florida or even what faced him at Auburn. I think the difference between how Cam recovered and how Vick continued his poor behavior was the intelligence that Cam has and the strong support system around him.

I can't pretend to know what Vick had to say to Cam, but I would imagine that he talked to him about making sure that the people he surrounds himself with are looking out for his best interests. In Vick's case, all he had around him after he left Virginia Tech were people that wanted to take his money and live his life via proxy. Not saying that he didn't make a ton of bad choices on his own, but he had a TON of help in getting into the situation he found himself in that got him arrested. Those same people disappeared when things got tough for him.

As far as advice on the field is concerned, I can't say that anything Vick would have to say would be detrimental to Cam and his success. Vick as an Eagle plays so much differently than Vick did as a Falcon that you can tell the switch has been flipped for him and that he finally realized that football is played 11 on 11 and not 1 on 11 the way he played with Atlanta. The fact that Vick was able to have as much success as he had in Atlanta, relatively speaking, without even touching the playbook was a testament to his ridiculous talent. I think if he thought to say it, he would tell Cam to embrace what his coaches are telling him but to still play the game the way he has had success with it in the past which is incredible advice.

I will never accuse Vick of being a smart man, but he is an experienced man and on a long enough time frame it's very hard to tell the difference between the two. He has lived what Cam is living right now. He has been the media darling and the polarizing figure. He has been Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire before Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire ever was and he has been on the cover of Madden and Sports Illustrated too.

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The point is not that Vick didn't know those things were not the right things to do. He knew they were wrong and he did them anyways because he was invincible in his own mind. He had people telling him he was going to be the greatest NFL player of all time since he was playing peewee. Michael Vick was poorly equipped to handle what was coming to him in the millions of dollars he was worth to Virginia Tech and the millions of dollars he was given by the Atlanta Falcons. Much in the same way that Cam Newton was not prepared for what faced him at Florida or even what faced him at Auburn. I think the difference between how Cam recovered and how Vick continued his poor behavior was the intelligence that Cam has and the strong support system around him.

I can't pretend to know what Vick had to say to Cam, but I would imagine that he talked to him about making sure that the people he surrounds himself with are looking out for his best interests. In Vick's case, all he had around him after he left Virginia Tech were people that wanted to take his money and live his life via proxy. Not saying that he didn't make a ton of bad choices on his own, but he had a TON of help in getting into the situation he found himself in that got him arrested. Those same people disappeared when things got tough for him.

As far as advice on the field is concerned, I can't say that anything Vick would have to say would be detrimental to Cam and his success. Vick as an Eagle plays so much differently than Vick did as a Falcon that you can tell the switch has been flipped for him and that he finally realized that football is played 11 on 11 and not 1 on 11 the way he played with Atlanta. The fact that Vick was able to have as much success as he had in Atlanta, relatively speaking, without even touching the playbook was a testament to his ridiculous talent. I think if he thought to say it, he would tell Cam to embrace what his coaches are telling him but to still play the game the way he has had success with it in the past which is incredible advice.

I will never accuse Vick of being a smart man, but he is an experienced man and on a long enough time frame it's very hard to tell the difference between the two. He has lived what Cam is living right now. He has been the media darling and the polarizing figure. He has been Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire before Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire ever was and he has been on the cover of Madden and Sports Illustrated too.

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Your loss.

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tl;dr

don't worry it actually made sense... so you wouldn't agree with it.

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