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#16 Kurb

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 10:23 AM

Pretty much everything about Cam coming out said he would struggle A LOT coming into the league.

Mechanics, more athlete than QB, etc.

Pretty much everything about Luck says he is next great QB phenom.
Big Arm, Pro-style offense, etc.


What has changed, in my eyes thus far, is the assumption Cam was more athlete than QB.
I don't think anyone could have realized how much work he has put into mechanics and reads.

Compare the NattyTitle game to just the Arizona game.
It's like watching two different players.

#17 Floppin

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 10:25 AM

Ahh the humble beginnings of Trucatzfan, he's such a good poster.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 10:26 AM

The one thing I will say, I wonder if all the time they spent going over Cam caused them to not scout the rest of the draft as well. Because you look at everyone we drafted after Cam, and they really arent successful or breaking out now.
I think the both of our DT are good players, but most likely role players,

our 4th round CB who said his knee would be fine by training camp has yet to practice,

our 5th round WR although he has not been bad, you would have expected if he really was a diamond in the rough, that he would have already been climbing the depth chart a-la Denarious Moore of the Oakland Raiders.

Our 6th round LB couldnt make the team and is only on the practice squad because we used a draft pick on him.

Then our 2 OL in the 6th and 7th round havent seen the field at all, although Williams is due to injury. But neither have really impressed. Ziemba had the perfect storm to make his first start last week but obviously he didnt capitalize.

However, if Cam succeeds then this draft will become one of the best all time automatically because thats how a GM makes his name. Look at Polian, I dont think he is anything special and you can see how his team is falling apart without Manning, but he drafted Manning so he is automatically a great GM.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 10:34 AM

Pilares has/had a high ankle sprain.

Both DT's are doing rather well to be rookies DT's which usually struggle.

Hogan's knee was know of and they were not surprised, I think it was a project pick.

I point more to Bell being a diamond in a rough and Ziemba being a project.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 10:43 AM

Pilares has/had a high ankle sprain.

Both DT's are doing rather well to be rookies DT's which usually struggle.

Hogan's knee was know of and they were not surprised, I think it was a project pick.

I point more to Bell being a diamond in a rough and Ziemba being a project.


Dont get me wrong, I love our DT's, But do I ever think they will get past a Buckner type role? probably not. Loved Buckner, but he was no Jenkins (Jenkins in his prime) by that I mean a second fiddle role at DT

Pilares was available for the last game, ankle was fine, but they chose not to activate him. I just feel like with him and AE we are trying to find a new SS instead of just drafting the best player available and letting that player become the first him instead of the next Smitty.

Edited by PackPanther, 21 September 2011 - 10:46 AM.


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Posted 21 September 2011 - 12:15 PM

Dont get me wrong, I love our DT's, But do I ever think they will get past a Buckner type role? probably not. Loved Buckner, but he was no Jenkins (Jenkins in his prime) by that I mean a second fiddle role at DT

Pilares was available for the last game, ankle was fine, but they chose not to activate him. I just feel like with him and AE we are trying to find a new SS instead of just drafting the best player available and letting that player become the first him instead of the next Smitty.


that's something 32 other NFL teams are trying to do.. some find a Kris Jenkins, most find the Buckner types.. DTs don't grow on trees..


Pilares prob won't find the field.. that isn't unnatural for a 5th round WR.. they may be looking for a SS role, but chances are they are just trying to find an average WR.. neither can be graded for another 2-3 years, so asking these questions are rhetorical at best..

#22 Dpantherman

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 12:17 PM

Took some big balls, sometimes you have to take risks though.

#23 PowerlessDan

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 12:44 PM

Man it is good to have hope for a change. Makes the workday smoother and putting up with the wife more bearable. Life is good.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 12:51 PM

Man it is good to have hope for a change. Makes the workday smoother and putting up with the wife more bearable. Life is good.


would you say, life is a garden?

holy poo, she let him play on the computer! ;)

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 01:07 PM

Hurney still gets little respect from me

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 02:30 PM

Pretty much everything about Cam coming out said he would struggle A LOT coming into the league.

Mechanics, more athlete than QB, etc.

Pretty much everything about Luck says he is next great QB phenom.
Big Arm, Pro-style offense, etc.


What has changed, in my eyes thus far, is the assumption Cam was more athlete than QB.
I don't think anyone could have realized how much work he has put into mechanics and reads.

Compare the NattyTitle game to just the Arizona game.
It's like watching two different players.

You don't have to go back that far.

Compare week one with preseason three and it's like watching two different players.

The job they did prepping him and the job he did getting ready, borderline miraculous.

Still just two weeks in, but it's a great start so far.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 03:18 PM

Yeah, I'll admit, I did not think Newton was even near to Luck's ability. I was flat out 100% wrong.

I was never on the anybody but Cam train. But I was on the Luck train, and I am honestly happy Luck didn't come out. Luck didn't want to be a Panther, and Cam did.

Nobody can say, "well no one knew Cam was gonna be this good".

Bullpoo, JR, Hurney, and Rivera did


I'm glad Luck stayed too. After seeing Cam throw deep a few times I am SOOO glad. I thought that was Luck's biggest weakness.

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 04:27 PM

would you say, life is a garden?

holy poo, she let him play on the computer! ;)


She better be in the garden when I get home. I'm craving some fresh greens with dinner.


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