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#85 ItsNotGonnaBeAlright

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 11:56 PM

Think of it as reverse reasonable doubt (and this is a moronic way to look at it, I know). Once guilt is established, then innocence must be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Therefore, after conviction, if any hint remains of guilt then the sentence cannot be overturned.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:04 AM

I don't believe in an imaginary god, but sometimes...I dream of taking his work into my own hands.

That is all I can say right now.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:23 AM

Think of it as reverse reasonable doubt (and this is a moronic way to look at it, I know). Once guilt is established, then innocence must be proven beyond all reasonable doubt. Therefore, after conviction, if any hint remains of guilt then the sentence cannot be overturned.


Honestly don't think it's that moronic to think of it that way. The idea is that on appeal, to overturn a conviction, it has to be proven that any reasonable juror would not have convicted the accused. A sentence can be downgraded without having the conviction overturned, though (a legal manuever that's not common, but not unprecedented either).

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:29 AM

And in case anyone is interested, here's a letter Troy wrote days before his execution entitled "To All":

I want to thank all of you for your efforts and dedication to Human Rights and Human Kindness, in the past year I have experienced such emotion, joy, sadness and never ending faith. It is because of all of you that I am alive today, as I look at my sister Martina I am marveled by the love she has for me and of course I worry about her and her health, but as she tells me she is the eldest and she will not back down from this fight to save my life and prove to the world that I am innocent of this terrible crime.

As I look at my mail from across the globe, from places I have never ever dreamed I would know about and people speaking languages and expressing cultures and religions I could only hope to one day see first hand. I am humbled by the emotion that fills my heart with overwhelming, overflowing Joy. I can’t even explain the insurgence of emotion I feel when I try to express the strength I draw from you all, it compounds my faith and it shows me yet again that this is not a case about the death penalty, this is not a case about Troy Davis, this is a case about Justice and the Human Spirit to see Justice prevail.

I cannot answer all of your letters but I do read them all, I cannot see you all but I can imagine your faces, I cannot hear you speak but your letters take me to the far reaches of the world, I cannot touch you physically but I feel your warmth everyday I exist.

So Thank you and remember I am in a place where execution can only destroy your physical form but because of my faith in God, my family and all of you I have been spiritually free for some time and no matter what happens in the days, weeks to come, this Movement to end the death penalty, to seek true justice, to expose a system that fails to protect the innocent must be accelerated. There are so many more Troy Davis’. This fight to end the death penalty is not won or lost through me but through our strength to move forward and save every innocent person in captivity around the globe. We need to dismantle this Unjust system city by city, state by state and country by country.

I can’t wait to Stand with you, no matter if that is in physical or spiritual form, I will one day be announcing,

“I AM TROY DAVIS, and I AM FREE!”

Never Stop Fighting for Justice and We will Win!


http://newsone.com/n...rom-troy-davis/

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 02:34 AM

Just for the purpose of comparison.....how many people were protesting the death of Super Whitey down in Texas today?


are you fuging kidding me

#90 Doc Holiday

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 09:13 AM

Should a supposedly advanced society still put people to death?

Yep, we need express lanes!!!

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 09:47 AM

I say we set up The Island to send all death row inmates.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 12:38 PM

Or start a gladiator arena.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 01:13 PM

Troy Davis supporter calling for death of George Bush...

who gave this idiot a microphone



Solid.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 02:39 PM

Terrible system to decide life or death.

Hopefully some people are feeling ashamed tonight.


The only people who should feel ashamed are the seven witnesses who recanted their statements. They either lied then or they are lying now. As an American, when you are under oath, you should speak the truth because someone's life could be at risk.

Then there are the two men who stated that Troy Davis confessed to them and the other witnesses who haven't recanted their statements. If they lied, they should be ashamed.

We'll never know if Troy Davis did or didn't kill the officer. There is no DNA evidence or video surveillance. What we do know is several witnesses described Davis as the man who killed the officer. We also know two men stated that Davis confessed to the murder to them. Also Davis left town the following morning and did not turn himself in until several days later. None of this can logically prove that he committed the crime but it would make anyone suspicious (Namely the predominately black jury which found him guilty).

The only debate I can see arising from this is whether or not witnesses are valid evidence. Without witnesses being evidence, a lot of dangerous people will be avoiding jail time. Or perhaps we should only use the death penalty in cases where there is tangible evidence like DNA or video surveillance but allow witness testimony for imprisonment?

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 02:55 PM

The recanting thing is kind of a joke.

None of the 7 ever actually recanted under oath. The recantation came purely from the defense team. One guy said he couldn't remember what he said, not that he lied.

Another lady was said to have recanted but was already dead.

If you read the judges decision none of this really had any bearing on the case.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 02:57 PM

Troy Davis. Gone. Over