Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

Simple way to stop Jaguars run game and MJD.


  • Please log in to reply
35 replies to this topic

#16 PiratePanther189

PiratePanther189

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1,082 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:34 PM

Which is why they lost 32-3. Something tells me that wasn't their plan though. That had more to do with that 1.8 QB passing rating which is why they are starting Gabbert.

If they want to keep running the ball when they're down two scores.......be my guest.


Eh...that may not be the best plan against this D...If we can make Beanie Wells look like Marshall Faulk we'll probably make MJD look like Berry Sanders. I'd rather stack the box and force Gabbert to throw the football at any point in the game.

#17 PantherFanForLife

PantherFanForLife

    Banned

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,058 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:36 PM

Good to know you're cool with Jax scoring on every drive except the first one.



You don't connect the dots, do you? Let me re-state it cause maybe you missed it. When a football team is ahead, especially by two scores or more, the run game becomes an ineffective tool for the other team to use.

You see, when a football team is down and losing...their goal is to first tie the game, and then score....BEFORE the clock reaches 0.00 in order to win the football game. This is typically achieved by passing because the run game is not only slower, but the clock doesn't stop.

So let me re-state it for you a little more clearly because I guess maybe my initial OP was too complicated: It forces their rookie QB to THROW THE BALL. Which does give our D a chance to stop them. Meaning NO: they won't score on every down. Our D has a much better chance against their passing attack, then their running attack, as things stand.

#18 pawsandclaws

pawsandclaws

    Speaker of the House

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 455 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:41 PM

You don't connect the dots, do you? Let me re-state it cause maybe you missed it. When a football team is ahead, especially by two scores or more, the run game becomes an ineffective tool for the other team to use.

You see, when a football team is down and losing...their goal is to first tie the game, and then score....BEFORE the clock reaches 0.00 in order to win the football game. This is typically achieved by passing because the run game is not only slower, but the clock doesn't stop.

So let me re-state it for you a little more clearly because I guess maybe my initial OP was too complicated: It forces their rookie QB to THROW THE BALL. Which does give our D a chance to stop them. Meaning NO: they won't score on every down. Our D has a much better chance against their passing attack, then their running attack, as things stand.


I think we all get it. The problem is you said this is a "plan". OK-the next time Ron has his coaches meeting he states the plan is to get ahead by 14 points real quick. When they stop laughing....

I hear in my head Bear Bryant saying...That ain't a plan son.

#19 lightsout

lightsout

    Doin' stuff...thaaaangs

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,662 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:43 PM

Honestly, our goal should be to make MJD string his runs to the sidelines. Up the middle, with our DTs, is our weak spot. Even with losing TD and Beason, we have fast LBs that can get to him if we force him to run to the edge. Just cock the linemen (like, have our 3-tech playing a 4 and having him crash hard on the guards outside shoulder, forcing him into A-gap while controlling B-gap) and tell them to crash hard, don't give up the inside gaps. Just have to make sure our outside backers are cheating a little more outside-shoulder of the tackles so they can get there to force the play back inside. And since we will most likely have 8 in the box, that shouldn't be too much to ask.


Of course, need a fast start from the offense again and we have to play with the lead the whole game just to force Jacksonville's hand.

#20 footballisasport

footballisasport

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 5,195 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:44 PM

Score early and often. And for god sake, stop getting so many pentalies in the endzone. U know how many points this team has given up in the past two games because of silly penalties.Just think u could be 2-0 or 1-1 if those TDs had counted.

#21 xtheronx

xtheronx

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 946 posts
  • LocationCharleston, South Carolina

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:48 PM

Score first and stay ahead


If we stay ahead .. why do we need to even worry about their running game?

that's really just stating the obvious .. no offense

If we stay ahead they can run/pass for 5000 yards and we'll still win!

What we need are ling sustained drives ... aka run the ball better

Just my opinion

#22 PantherFanForLife

PantherFanForLife

    Banned

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,058 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:49 PM

I think we all get it. The problem is you said this is a "plan". OK-the next time Ron has his coaches meeting he states the plan is to get ahead by 14 points real quick. When they stop laughing....

I hear in my head Bear Bryant saying...That ain't a plan son.


Actually I said "way", but reading is optional anyway it seems.

#23 bauss

bauss

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 809 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:55 PM

Simple plan but not so easy to execute. That's like saying to get to the moon you need to get in a rocket and go very fast.



technically its as simple as getting up to 25,000 mph (Earth's escape velocity) regardless of the craft you're in. If you could eject yourself from a trampoline at that speed while being pointed at the moon, assuming you would make it through the atmosphere, you would get to the moon.

Very easy.

#24 pawsandclaws

pawsandclaws

    Speaker of the House

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 455 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:57 PM

technically its as simple as getting up to 25,000 mph regardless of the craft you're in. If you could eject yourself from a trampoline at that speed while being pointed at the moon, assuming you would make it through the atmosphere, you would get to the moon.

Very easy.


Wouldn't you have to lead the target just a bit?
LOL

#25 PantherFanForLife

PantherFanForLife

    Banned

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,058 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 05:57 PM

If we stay ahead .. why do we need to even worry about their running game?

that's really just stating the obvious .. no offense

If we stay ahead they can run/pass for 5000 yards and we'll still win!

What we need are ling sustained drives ... aka run the ball better

Just my opinion


Early. Yeah it's stating the obvious, but I see more people concerned bout our D's inability to stopping their run when it may end up being a moot point instead of being concerned with the bigger problem:

If we let them go up......then they can keep our offense off the field and chew up the clock and at that point Cam isn't a shoe-in for a 400 yard game like everyone, including analysts, are predicting. It becomes a very hard game for us at that point.

Also getting ahead early against the Jags isn't the same as getting ahead early against GB. That's kind of the point that may have not been so obvious. Getting up early may just end up being the key to actually winning this game as early as the first quarter. That's not the case against other heavy hitting offenses. And it wasn't against Green Bay. I'd feel quite comfortable being 13-0 against the Jags after the first quarter. I was pissed and as nervous as if we were 0-0 when we were up 13-0 on Green Bay.

The Jaguars, even with their great running game can't produce the kind of offense our team can.

#26 xtheronx

xtheronx

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 946 posts
  • LocationCharleston, South Carolina

Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:01 PM

Oh .. Ok .. I see what you're saying

Yeah sounds about right .. Good point

#27 pawsandclaws

pawsandclaws

    Speaker of the House

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 455 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:06 PM

Actually I said "way", but reading is optional anyway it seems.


I can read just fine ty.
Def of way in that context-a course or plan of action.

Man I do not disagree with your premise-I would love to see us go up early because what you said would probably be true. But then again who would not want to go up by 14 early against anyone regardless of what their strengths are? That logic could apply to any game. Would a way to beat the Patriots be go down by 14 so they now run the ball?

#28 PantherFanForLife

PantherFanForLife

    Banned

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,058 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:09 PM

I can read just fine ty.
Def of way in that context-a course or plan of action.

Man I do not disagree with your premise-I would love to see us go up early because what you said would probably be true. But then again who would not want to go up by 14 early against anyone regardless of what their strengths are? That logic could apply to any game. Would a way to beat the Patriots be go down by 14 so they now run the ball?


Green Bay? They gave the ball to us. They had the confidence of coming back from behind even if we scored, and getting the ball first in the second quarter. Paid off for them I would say.

#29 setzer2030

setzer2030

    Senior Member

  • HUDDLER
  • PipPipPipPip
  • 741 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:26 PM

It forces their rookie QB to THROW THE BALL. Which does give our D a chance to stop them..


But both the Cardinals and Packers have shut down our running game so far,which has forced Cam to throw the ball. 422 and 432 yards respectively. Not saying I expect the Jaguars to win, because I don't, but since we don't have any game tape on Gabbert, it makes him more dangerous. The fact that Godfrey is out makes me nervous. I don't care if its a high school QB, I don't want to rely on Jordan Pugh to stop the pass.

#30 PantherFanForLife

PantherFanForLife

    Banned

  • Banned
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2,058 posts

Posted 21 September 2011 - 06:36 PM

But both the Cardinals and Packers have shut down our running game so far,which has forced Cam to throw the ball. 422 and 432 yards respectively. Not saying I expect the Jaguars to win, because I don't, but since we don't have any game tape on Gabbert, it makes him more dangerous. The fact that Godfrey is out makes me nervous. I don't care if its a high school QB, I don't want to rely on Jordan Pugh to stop the pass.


Valid concern, but any coach is probably still going to rather have his D stack up against a rookie QB, even without tape, than against a star running back, he knows he's going to have trouble stopping.

No one was afraid of Clausen last year just cause they didn't have tape. It's the same situation with Gabbert. I DON'T expect a Cam-like performance. Could he light it up? Sure! Anything's possible. But again, what Cam did is typically the exception to the rule.

You can still prepare for their offense and playbook. The issue with Cam for other teams is what he can personally do outside of that. The throwing on the run, the jukes, the diving throws, the way he stands in the face of pressure at the NFL level.....his personal talent that went above and beyond what anyone expected.

Personally I don't see that type of game-changing ability from Gabbert, but hey...anything can happen. You just can't prepare for "anything". You have to prepare for what you most likely expect to happen.

Edited by PantherFanForLife, 21 September 2011 - 06:39 PM.



0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

Shop at Amazon Contact Us: info@carolinahuddle.com