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#1 boo7382

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:12 AM

Doesn't look like anyone has posted this yet....if they did then merge it..

Great article on how the days of sitting first round pick rookies behind veteran qb's are ending, spread offense, and how teams are looking more to the future (like us).

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Starting with 2008 first-round picks Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, the list of highly drafted quarterbacks who have played early -- and played surprisingly well -- seems to grow by the week. Carolina's Cam Newton and Cincinnati's Andy Dalton are both off to impressive starts this year (with Newton's record-breaking first two games being the story of the season in the league so far). Last year it was Sam Bradford from day one in St. Louis and Colt McCoy taking over in Cleveland by Week 6. And 2009 gave us Matthew Stafford in Detroit, Mark Sanchez with the Jets and Josh Freeman, who was the guy in Tampa Bay by the time the Bucs' eighth game of the year rolled around.


"Based on this season with Cam Newton and Andy Dalton, and on recent history in the league, there's no reason to believe Blaine Gabbert will not come out and play well,'' ESPN analyst and former NFL quarterback Ron Jaworski said Wednesday. "And really, it's almost mind-numbing to see what these two rookies have done this year. I never in my wildest imagination would have expected to see these two guys play that well. Watching Cam Newton in these first two games, it's ridiculous, the way he's playing the game. It looks like he's been playing in the NFL for five years.''


And poor Dalton. Were this a Cam-free year in the NFL, he'd be the talk of the league, with his 413 yards, 66.1 completion percentage, three touchdowns and 105.7 passer rating through two games for the 1-1 Bengals. With those kind of results being posted, is it any wonder Del Rio and the Jaguars ended McCown's starting era after just two games? Make that a game and three quarters, because Gabbert replaced the benched McCown in the fourth quarter of Jacksonville's 32-3 loss at the Jets last Sunday, going a smooth 5 of 6 for 52 yards in his relief stint and setting the stage for this week's change.


"Maybe this is telling us something, what happened with the lockout and these guys not getting all the offseason work and getting the playbooks late,'' he said. "Maybe coaches over-coach. Maybe they over-burden these guys with too much in the playbook, getting them to think too much instead of playing. It's just causing everyone to revisit and rethink everything. Coaches can give these quarterbacks so much in the playbook, so much to do and think about that they can't play football. It's paralysis by analysis.

"The lockout meant coaches have down-sized their playbooks and given these guys less to worry about, making you think, 'Hey, maybe you don't have to give these guys the whole playbook from day one. Just play to their strength and let them go play the game.' I think that's part of what's happening. I'm kind of old-school when it comes do quarterback development, and I feel the best thing is for a guy to sit a year or two and learn the game and learn the system. But this is making me rethink those thoughts.''


"It may never happen again, waiting for a first-round quarterback to develop before he gets on the field,'' Jaworski said, noting that Denver's The Golden Calf of Bristol was a recent exception to the rule. "And the club owners may wake up to this and tell these coaches, 'Hey, you know what, you don't have to kill this guy with the learning process. Get him on the field and strip the playbook and let him go play football. We've got tens of millions of dollars invested in these guys.' Maybe the last three or four years have shown us you don't have to ride the pine to be an NFL quarterback. Maybe the coaches need to wake up a little bit.''



Also, talking about the spread offense:

The NFL coaching and personnel communities are rapidly changing how they view the spread offenses that have come to predominate college football. Not long ago, the conventional wisdom was that spread offense quarterbacks get to the league relatively unequipped to play the game in a pro-style passing attack. But what was once seen as a disadvantage may now be one of the keys to the early success of passers like Newton, Bradford, Freeman and McCoy. Coming out of the spread, quarterbacks come to the pass-happy NFL very used to seeing the field, making quick decisions, and throwing, throwing and throwing some more.


Looking to the Future Instead of Win-Now

Credit deserves to be doled out to Carolina offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski and new Panthers head coach Ron Rivera -- a longtime former defensive coordinator and defensive assistant in the league -- for not trying to fit the round peg of Newton's skill set into a square hole, several NFL analysts said. The Panthers aren't going the same route as the Jets have with Sanchez, asking him to manage the game and avoid the game-turning mistakes. They might be 0-2 in part due to that decision, but they're looking long-term in regards to Newton's development.

"I think it's brilliant,'' Dilfer said. "This is what you do. You don't develop a game manager, like Tampa Bay did to me. You develop a quarterback, you develop a passer. You let him go pass the ball. Let him go fail, and teach him on Mondays. Teaching him on Mondays after failure is so much better than teaching him on Wednesday through Saturday, because the pain of the failure will allow him to take the coaching more, and the affirmation of the success will make him want to do the good stuff even better.

"Now, if you're playing a rookie in a quarterback-driven offense, you're still going to lose in the short term. Ryan, Flacco and Sanchez all won right away, but they weren't in quarterback-driven offenses. The difference with Bradford last year and Newton this year, those are quarterback driven offenses. You've got to sacrifice something. But what these teams are saying is they're willing to sacrifice the opportunity to win consistently this year to develop one of the great players in this league. I think that's what Rivera is doing. He can't say it because it's not politically correct, but that's what they're doing.''


"Gabbert's not playing for a team that's going to toss the ball all over the field, although we all wouldn't have believed that Carolina would have ever done that either, with a defensive coach like Ron Rivera,'' Cosell said. "But Rivera has been around [Eagles head coach] Andy Reid a long time and maybe he recognizes, you know what, I'm here to be a champion. And you're not going to be a champion today in the NFL handing the ball off, playing good defense and controlling the clock.

"Rivera's saying, 'I drafted this kid No. 1, and if we're ever going to be a champion, he's going to have to become an elite quarterback. And he's not going to become that by not throwing the ball.' Teams don't compete for Super Bowls any more without one. Cam threw over 40 times in each game (actually, 37 and 46), and when in the game's history would a rookie quarterback even think about throwing it 40 times a game? It's a new world. A whole new world.''



#2 Snake

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:20 AM

I cant wait for Gabbert to come out and throw 4 picks and 0 TDs. The guy is all hype and nothing more. Dalton and Newton have payed there dues but everyone has hyped Gabbert up so much its not funny.

#3 Darth Biscuit

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:29 AM

Love Dilfer's comments... after watching that Elite 11 QB show I have a lot of respect for that guy... would make a hell of a coach.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:32 AM

Good read, thank you boo.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:46 AM

It's paralysis by analysis.


Case in Point: John Fox ruining Jimmy Clausen's career.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:50 AM

Case in Point: John Fox ruining Jimmy Clausen's career.


Mr. Clausen definitely made an argument for sitting a QB and letting him develop.

Great article though. I still think its individualized. People do not learn things identically.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 08:51 AM

I cant wait for Gabbert to come out and throw 4 picks and 0 TDs. The guy is all hype and nothing more. Dalton and Newton have payed there dues but everyone has hyped Gabbert up so much its not funny.


I'd be careful. People said similar things about Cam being all hype and nothing more. It would be better just to wait and see what the kid can do considering how the other rookie QBs this year have done.

#8 Mr Smiley

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:16 AM

I think jimmy clausen ruined jimmy clausens career. All I hear is that he grew up a coddled rich guy living off the proverbial trust fund. Welcome to the real world

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:20 AM

"But Rivera has been around [Eagles head coach] Andy Reid a long time and maybe he recognizes, you know what, I'm here to be a champion. And you're not going to be a champion today in the NFL handing the ball off, playing good defense and controlling the clock.


Shot at John Fox. Big time.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:24 AM

Shot at John Fox. Big time.


Or Jeff Fischer, Del Rio, Rex Ryan, etc, basically any ball control coach, not specifically Fox.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:33 AM

I'd be careful. People said similar things about Cam being all hype and nothing more. It would be better just to wait and see what the kid can do considering how the other rookie QBs this year have done.


There's only one difference. Cam proved himself in college with great numbers and people still knocked him. Gabbert had a mediocre College career and everyone made him out to be a super star. He will be Jimmy Clausen 2.0.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:52 AM

Or Jeff Fischer, Del Rio, Rex Ryan, etc, basically any ball control coach, not specifically Fox.


Well since he's talking about Rivera coming to coach the Panthers...I look at it as a direct shot at the previous regime.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:52 AM

I'm not going to lie, I have my reservations about an easy win this week. The Panthers have a historical trend of letting every QBs first start in the league be a memorable one. Tony Romo is the first that comes to mind, but there are MANY other examples as well. That was all under Fox though, let's see how Rivera can get this team prepared.

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 09:52 AM

Mr. Clausen definitely made an argument for sitting a QB and letting him develop.

Great article though. I still think its individualized. People do not learn things identically.


U're so right....Now those in the media, who were heavily backing Blaine, are doing a 180 and saying that everything that they thing they said that Cam, Andy, Jake and the other QBs need to learn in order to make it in the NFL are all wrong now that they are trying to make the argument that Blaine is ready for the NFL..

And I wonder why I question everything these double-minded, double talking, paid way to much to be doing what they do sports media folks.

Edited by footballisasport, 23 September 2011 - 12:20 PM.


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Posted 23 September 2011 - 10:05 AM

I'd be careful. People said similar things about Cam being all hype and nothing more. It would be better just to wait and see what the kid can do considering how the other rookie QBs this year have done.


If u haven't seen the obvious difference between Cam and Blaine and how they media treated them, u never will. Cam has and was never afraid to step up to the plate, so technically he isn't being hyped. The media has always challenged Cam and he has delivered. Yet, with Blaine it has been nothing but spun PR and double-talk with him. Has anyone seen this kid throw one single ball during the draft outside of the edited piece the NFLN showed from his pro-day?

Question, do u really believe that if Andrew was in this years draft, Blaine would have been pushed as hard by the media? Blaine wasn't even on the radar before the draft. That is strange considering that he didn't gradually shoot up the board. He automatically went to the head of the class out of nowhere as soon as Luck decided to stay in school. Then u saw who he choose as an agent and u realized why he was all of a sudden Mike Mayock's choosen QB.

Say what u want about Cam but whatever hype he has recieved has come after he delivered, not so much before.


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