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The myth of the new coach success.

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Many of you have been suggesting that we should not be expected to win because we have new coaches - and new coaches need time to win.

I looked up every coach in the league with 5 years of tenure or less to see how well they did in their first year.

Nearly half of these coaches are making the playoffs in the first year. And several of these were complete turnarounds.

New coaches in 2011 are 9-7 so far.

Another myth BUSTED!

Mike Smith 2008 Atlanta Falcons - 11-5 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Ken Whisenhunt 2007 Cardinals - 8-8
John Harbaugh - 2008 Ravens - 11-5 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Jason Garrett - 2010 Cowboys - 5-3
Jim Schwartz 2009 Lions 2-14
Jim Caldwell 2009 Colts 14-2[COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Todd Haley 2009 Chiefs 4-12
Tony Sparano 2008 Dolphins 11-5 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Leslie Frazier Minn 2010 3-3
Rex Ryan 2009 Jets 9-7 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Mike Tomlin 2007 Pitt 10-6[COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Steve Spagnuolo 2009 Rams 1-15
Raheem Morris 2009 Bucs 3-13
Mike Munchak 2011 Titans 3-1
Jim Harbaugh 2011 49ers 3-1
Hugh Jackson 2011 Raiders 2-2
Ron Rivera 2011 Panthers 1-3

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IMHO it all boils down to the quality of the team you inherit.

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you are aware this is only week 4 right....

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If we had an average D and average ST.....Rivera easily would be 3-1. Rivera has nothing on D but 2 DEs and 1 and 1/2 corners. He has some other pieces but they are consistant enough to count on.

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The season is over already?!!!!!!!

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If you had expectations to have a winning season this year.. then you set your expectations too high. I think most people predicted 6 wins.. and that seems about right. The rest is gravy. That being said, I think Rivera has changed the identity of this team.. he is doing a phenomenal job.. we have been in every game. We are a few plays away from being 4-0.
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Gruden would win the Superbowl with the Panthers this season.

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If only Rivera hadn't coached the team to:

- Outrun Peterson and/or stand and watch as he fielded a punt and ran upfield.

- Throw 2 stupid INTs against Green Bay, then, as momentum was shifting, fumble a long gain.

- Summon a monsoon

- Lose a starting DT, MLB, and WLB for the season

- Give up 200+ yards to Forte

I also think we should judge his career 4 starts in. Sure, he inherited the worst team in football, yeah, maybe we have new defensive and offensive systems, we're IRing people left and right, we're starting rookies at QB, both DT spots and RT here and there with no OTAs at all and a new playbook, but those are excuses and I'm tired of bullpoo excuses.

Rivera is poo and I want to win now. It's not too late to grab Cowher.
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[quote name='baussneggar:3360678']IMHO it all boils down to the quality of the team you inherit.[/QUOTE]

Barry fugging Switzer ftw!

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[quote name='boo7382']you are aware this is only week 4 right....[/QUOTE]

Yeah, people are acting as if the season is already over.

I'm too lazy to do it, but I'm pretty sure there are even more examples of teams who started slow and finished strong than there are first time HC's who were successful in their first year.

And BTW, Jim Caldwell? I'm pretty sure that was a well established team with a well established QB who could run the offense himself when Caldwell took over, and none of those coaches had to deal with what Rivera had to deal with this off season. This year is very unique because of the lockout. That's not an excuse, it's just reality.

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How many of those successful new coaches were taking over team with the previous year's worst record, had a shortened offseason due to lockout, were starting a rookie quarterback, and were decimated by injuries to key positions?

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I dont understand people upset about our teams wins and losses this season. We were 2-14 last year and have a weak defense due to injuries and holes. Even if we made the playoffs it'd be 2008 all over again, we'd be smashed in round 1 by a better team. No way our defense competes against the better O's in the league in the dance. Best thing to do is get our 5-6 wins this year and flip that into another high draft pick that will make us a better team in the future. Its too early to be throwing this coaching staff and organization under the bus.

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I'm not saying our coaching staff sucks.

I'm saying that using a new coaching staff as an excuse as to why we can wait until next year is silly when you look at history.

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Seriously, Rivera has already produced 1 win in 4 games, which is only 1 less win than we had in 16 games last year. He is just getting started people. Try to have a little patience and make a judgement after Rivera has had a complete season.

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[quote name='Sloth']If only Rivera hadn't coached the team to:

- Outrun Peterson and/or stand and watch as he fielded a punt and run upfield.

- Throw 2 stupid INTs against Green Bay, then, as momentum was shifting, fumble a long gain.

- Summon a monsoon

- Lose a starting DT, MLB, and WLB for the season

- Give up 200+ yards to Forte

I also think we should judge his career 4 starts in. Sure, he inherited the worst team in football, yeah, maybe we have new defensive and offensive systems, we're IRing people left and right, we're starting rookies at QB, both DT spots and RT here and there with no OTAs at all and a new playbook, but those are excuses and I'm tired of bullpoo excuses.

Rivera is poo and I want to win now. It's not too late to grab Cowher.[/QUOTE]

Some of those things can be directly attributed to coaching.

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Here you go Happy, I can tell you need it...

[IMG]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-T5KHHVzT1kE/ThjQ7nSVb-I/AAAAAAAAPGU/NcAHt2ACj44/s320/POST.jpg[/IMG]

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[quote name='Happy Panther']Many of you have been suggesting that we should not be expected to win because we have new coaches - and new coaches need time to win.

I looked up every coach in the league with 5 years of tenure or less to see how well they did in their first year.

Nearly half of these coaches are making the playoffs in the first year. And several of these were complete turnarounds.

New coaches in 2011 are 9-7 so far.

Another myth BUSTED!

Mike Smith 2008 Atlanta Falcons - 11-5 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Ken Whisenhunt 2007 Cardinals - 8-8
John Harbaugh - 2008 Ravens - 11-5 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Jason Garrett - 2010 Cowboys - 5-3
Jim Schwartz 2009 Lions 2-14
Jim Caldwell 2009 Colts 14-2[COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Todd Haley 2009 Chiefs 4-12
Tony Sparano 2008 Dolphins 11-5 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Leslie Frazier Minn 2010 3-3
Rex Ryan 2009 Jets 9-7 [COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Mike Tomlin 2007 Pitt 10-6[COLOR="Red"]*[/COLOR]
Steve Spagnuolo 2009 Rams 1-15
Raheem Morris 2009 Bucs 3-13
Mike Munchak 2011 Titans 3-1
Jim Harbaugh 2011 49ers 3-1
Hugh Jackson 2011 Raiders 2-2
Ron Rivera 2011 Panthers 1-3[/QUOTE]
Jim Caldwell took over for a retiring Tony Dungy. The team went 12-4 the year prior. Likewise, Mike Tomlin took over a good Steeler team after Bill Cowher phoned it in for his final season.

The 2007 Falcons were actually a pretty good team, but they were coached by Bobby Petrino who left before the season was over. Likewise, the Dolphins and Jets had decent teams but bad head coaches (Cam Cameron, Eric Mangini) and the 2007 Ravens might have been better too had Steve McNair been able to stay healthy.

Four games in after a 2-14 year, a gutted roster and an offseason with no OTAs is [I]way[/I] too early to judge much of anything.

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[quote name='haccess']How many of those successful new coaches were taking over team with the previous year's worst record, had a shortened offseason due to lockout, were starting a rookie quarterback, and were decimated by injuries to key positions?[/QUOTE]

Falcons were 4-12 before Smith came
Ravens were 5-11
Dolphins were 1-15
Titans 6-10 last year
So were the 49ers

All teams have injuries.

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[quote name='Happy Panther']I'm not saying our coaching staff sucks.

I'm saying that using a new coaching staff as an excuse as to why we can wait until next year is silly when you look at history.[/QUOTE]

This.

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[quote name='Mr Scot']Jim Caldwell took over for a retiring Tony Dungy. The team went 12-4 the year prior. Likewise, Mike Tomlin took over a good Steeler team after Bill Cowher phoned it in for his final season.

The 2007 Falcons [B]were actually a pretty good team[/B], but they were coached by Bobby Petrino who left before the season was over. Likewise, the Dolphins and Jets had decent teams but bad head coaches (Cam Cameron, Eric Mangini) and the 2007 Ravens might have been better too had Steve McNair been able to stay healthy.

Four games in after a 2-14 year, a gutted roster and an offseason with no OTAs is [I]way[/I] too early to judge much of anything.[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of a team I know.

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The 2007 Falcons were actually a pretty good team, but they were coached by Bobby Petrino who left before the season was over. Likewise, the Dolphins and Jets had decent teams but bad head coaches (Cam Cameron, Eric Mangini) and the 2007 Ravens might have been better too had Steve McNair been able to stay healthy.

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Hey I thought we had a bad coach last year too!

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[quote name='Happy Panther']Hey I thought we had a bad coach last year too![/QUOTE]
We had a bad lots of things last season.

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Which do you want...we have no chance to win games, or we are competing every game?

2010:

Offense
Total: 32nd
Passing: 32nd
Rushing: 13th

Defense
Total: 18th
Passing: 11th
Rushing: 23rd

Currently:

Offense
Total: 3rd
Passing: 3rd
Rushing: 16th

Defense
Total: 16th
Passing: 7th
Rushing: 31st

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[quote name='Mr Scot']We had a bad lots of things last season.[/QUOTE]

Lame duck coach and terrible QB.

Both are fixed so we are running out of excuses I think.

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Did you look at any of the previous records?

For example, The Cardinals were 5-11 before Wisenhunt lead them to 8-8. 3 game difference, meaning Rivera only has to lead this team to 5 wins to get him on your list.

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