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#16 CLTPanther

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:19 PM

Here you go Happy, I can tell you need it...

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#17 Mr. Scot

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:20 PM

Many of you have been suggesting that we should not be expected to win because we have new coaches - and new coaches need time to win.

I looked up every coach in the league with 5 years of tenure or less to see how well they did in their first year.

Nearly half of these coaches are making the playoffs in the first year. And several of these were complete turnarounds.

New coaches in 2011 are 9-7 so far.

Another myth BUSTED!

Mike Smith 2008 Atlanta Falcons - 11-5 *
Ken Whisenhunt 2007 Cardinals - 8-8
John Harbaugh - 2008 Ravens - 11-5 *
Jason Garrett - 2010 Cowboys - 5-3
Jim Schwartz 2009 Lions 2-14
Jim Caldwell 2009 Colts 14-2*
Todd Haley 2009 Chiefs 4-12
Tony Sparano 2008 Dolphins 11-5 *
Leslie Frazier Minn 2010 3-3
Rex Ryan 2009 Jets 9-7 *
Mike Tomlin 2007 Pitt 10-6*
Steve Spagnuolo 2009 Rams 1-15
Raheem Morris 2009 Bucs 3-13
Mike Munchak 2011 Titans 3-1
Jim Harbaugh 2011 49ers 3-1
Hugh Jackson 2011 Raiders 2-2
Ron Rivera 2011 Panthers 1-3

Jim Caldwell took over for a retiring Tony Dungy. The team went 12-4 the year prior. Likewise, Mike Tomlin took over a good Steeler team after Bill Cowher phoned it in for his final season.

The 2007 Falcons were actually a pretty good team, but they were coached by Bobby Petrino who left before the season was over. Likewise, the Dolphins and Jets had decent teams but bad head coaches (Cam Cameron, Eric Mangini) and the 2007 Ravens might have been better too had Steve McNair been able to stay healthy.

Four games in after a 2-14 year, a gutted roster and an offseason with no OTAs is way too early to judge much of anything.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:22 PM

How many of those successful new coaches were taking over team with the previous year's worst record, had a shortened offseason due to lockout, were starting a rookie quarterback, and were decimated by injuries to key positions?


Falcons were 4-12 before Smith came
Ravens were 5-11
Dolphins were 1-15
Titans 6-10 last year
So were the 49ers

All teams have injuries.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:22 PM

I'm not saying our coaching staff sucks.

I'm saying that using a new coaching staff as an excuse as to why we can wait until next year is silly when you look at history.


This.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:22 PM

Jim Caldwell took over for a retiring Tony Dungy. The team went 12-4 the year prior. Likewise, Mike Tomlin took over a good Steeler team after Bill Cowher phoned it in for his final season.

The 2007 Falcons were actually a pretty good team, but they were coached by Bobby Petrino who left before the season was over. Likewise, the Dolphins and Jets had decent teams but bad head coaches (Cam Cameron, Eric Mangini) and the 2007 Ravens might have been better too had Steve McNair been able to stay healthy.

Four games in after a 2-14 year, a gutted roster and an offseason with no OTAs is way too early to judge much of anything.


Reminds me of a team I know.

#21 Happy Panther

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:23 PM

The 2007 Falcons were actually a pretty good team, but they were coached by Bobby Petrino who left before the season was over. Likewise, the Dolphins and Jets had decent teams but bad head coaches (Cam Cameron, Eric Mangini) and the 2007 Ravens might have been better too had Steve McNair been able to stay healthy.


Hey I thought we had a bad coach last year too!

#22 Mr. Scot

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:23 PM

Hey I thought we had a bad coach last year too!

We had a bad lots of things last season.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:24 PM

Which do you want...we have no chance to win games, or we are competing every game?

2010:

Offense
Total: 32nd
Passing: 32nd
Rushing: 13th

Defense
Total: 18th
Passing: 11th
Rushing: 23rd

Currently:

Offense
Total: 3rd
Passing: 3rd
Rushing: 16th

Defense
Total: 16th
Passing: 7th
Rushing: 31st

#24 Happy Panther

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:25 PM

We had a bad lots of things last season.


Lame duck coach and terrible QB.

Both are fixed so we are running out of excuses I think.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:25 PM

Did you look at any of the previous records?

For example, The Cardinals were 5-11 before Wisenhunt lead them to 8-8. 3 game difference, meaning Rivera only has to lead this team to 5 wins to get him on your list.

Edited by Dpantherman, 03 October 2011 - 12:28 PM.


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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:26 PM

Which do you want...we have no chance to win games, or we are competing every game?


I want to win games.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:26 PM

We had a bad lots of things last season.


We had poor coaching and a poor coaching staff. Everything else is very good or good enough to compete.

Happy Panther is right, "new coach" is no excuse, as was illustrated in the OP. When we factor in that two other excuses-rookie QB and new system-have been nothing but advantageous to us-the excuses for our losing record are wearing pretty thin.

#28 Happy Panther

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:27 PM

Did you look at any of the previous records? or the rankings of any of the teams as far as offense and defense?


Yes I looked at all the records. Plenty of big time turnarounds in the first year.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:29 PM

Well if all of those coaches had come in to the exact same situation, you might have an argument, but they didn't. Hell, every one of those guys had extra practices, compared to the veteran coaches, while Rivera actually had practice time taken away from him.

And once again, we're only going in to week 4. We have no idea how good this team can be going forward or what their final record will be.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:31 PM

Well if all of those coaches had come in to the exact same situation, you might have an argument, but they didn't. Hell, every one of those guys had extra practices, compared to the veteran coaches, while Rivera actually had practice time taken away from him.


The other new coaches in 2011 are doing just fine.


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