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#31 TheRed

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:37 PM

So the logic you are applying is that the positive win loss record of a handful of coaches all in different situations with different factors HAS to be the same for ALL new coaches or if not that those coaches completely suck?

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:38 PM

So the logic you are applying is that the positive win loss record of a handful of coaches all in different situations with different factors HAS to be the same for ALL new coaches or if not that those coaches completely suck?


No. Try again.

#33 monstercat

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:39 PM

The other new coaches in 2011 are doing just fine.


We will see just how fine they are a month from now. Your whole premise is that things can change fast in the NFL, so it's pretty weak to be making this thread after 4 games.

#34 Mr. Scot

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:42 PM

The 49ers have beaten two awful teams (Bengals, Seahawks) beaten one overrated team (Eagles) and lost to another overrated team (Cowboys).

I wouldn't proclaim Harbaugh a great success just yet.

#35 Metal_Sparty

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:45 PM

Just a quick observation, but outside of a few teams, it seems like a lot of teams that got a new coach and had a poor record (Lions, Bucs) are the ones that are now looking good. Where as the new coaches that had a good record (Colts, Cowboys, kind of Steelers) look to be on the downside.

Schwartz had nothing like us, and is building it into a solid team that's undefeated right now. Rivera is starting with little, and getting us very competitive.

Coaches that got lucky, seem to have inherited an older team and are now fading away a bit.

This is all in week 4 though, so we'll see how things keep going.

#36 pantherclaw

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:45 PM

If you expected a 10+ win season, and playoffs...yes, your expectations were to high. You drank to much of the cam juice.

While playoffs is possible, it's highly doubtful.

I knew the first half of our season was going to be rough.

Even though wekve been in every game, it doesn't raise my expectations.

Of course, i still want the team to win every sunday, my expectations are tempered/realistic.

I still believe we'll have a strong second half to our season.

There is certainly a lot to be excited about.

The team isn't far from turning the page.

#37 TheRed

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:47 PM

No. Try again.


Well you claim you aren't saying the coaches suck, but you drudge up the records of other rookie coaches and say "no excuses boys".

So, which coaches do you want to replace them? We need some ideas.

#38 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:48 PM

Last Year: AGH! John Fox sucks! Jimmy sucks! Without them we'd be a good team!

This year: Well, uh, I mean the team went 2-14 last year. Clearly you lack perspective. (See: Irony)

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:48 PM

sweet keep spamming threads with hardly any effort in them.

the signal:noise ratio is already like .01, with your help we can go all the way.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:49 PM

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#41 TheRed

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:50 PM

Yeah CatsGrowl, you were totally and whole heartedly impressed with John Fox and Jimmy Clausens performance last year. Clap clap clap.

#42 KBRed

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:52 PM

If you expected a 10+ win season, and playoffs...yes, your expectations were to high. You drank to much of the cam juice.

While playoffs is possible, it's highly doubtful.

I knew the first half of our season was going to be rough.

Even though wekve been in every game, it doesn't raise my expectations.

Of course, i still want the team to win every sunday, my expectations are tempered/realistic.

I still believe we'll have a strong second half to our season.

There is certainly a lot to be excited about.

The team isn't far from turning the page.


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#43 monstercat

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:53 PM

Just a quick observation, but outside of a few teams, it seems like a lot of teams that got a new coach and had a poor record (Lions, Bucs) are the ones that are now looking good. Where as the new coaches that had a good record (Colts, Cowboys, kind of Steelers) look to be on the downside.

Schwartz had nothing like us, and is building it into a solid team that's undefeated right now. Rivera is starting with little, and getting us very competitive.

Coaches that got lucky, seem to have inherited an older team and are now fading away a bit.

This is all in week 4 though, so we'll see how things keep going.


Yeah, I was just thinking about this too. Who cares if you get a short term bump if you can't have long term success?

I firmly believe that Rivera is setting up the Carolina Panthers to be a contender year in and year out. I would rather have that than to have one good season, get waxed in the play offs, and then fade away. Hell, we had that with John Fox.

You also have to look at schedules. How many 2-14 teams have to play the hardest schedule in the league the very next season. I'm not sure I have ever seen that happen before.

#44 KBRed

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:53 PM

Last Year: AGH! John Fox sucks! Jimmy sucks! Without them we'd be a good team!

This year: Well, uh, I mean the team went 2-14 last year. Clearly you lack perspective. (See: Irony)


We are a good team. If you need a winning record to see that...:cool:

#45 Happy Panther

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 12:54 PM

sweet keep spamming threads with hardly any effort in them.

the signal:noise ratio is already like .01, with your help we can go all the way.


There is more effort in this thread than pretty much any you will see.

You know, actually pulling numbers from the internet and stuff. Trying to make a case through analysis and debate. That sort of thing.


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