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#31 Smiling_Bob

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 09:01 PM

So, in other words, on those occasions where the Panthers' D forces punts, the Panthers do better in the field position swap that all but one other team (Chicago).

Arenas has the most impressive stats for PR's thru Wk 5. But, notice that on average, he catches the ball more than ten yards farther down the field than Edwards. Houston's PR gets more than 11 more yards of space to work with.

Notice that when you take away Sproles' (NO, ranked third) one long return, his average falls to near Edwards. If you take away Hester's (Chicago, ranked 1st) one long return v. the Panthers, he has 32 total punt return yards (8yd avg.) the rest of the season so far.

My point is, Edwards has not been stellar so far, but those that have been seem to have longer fields to work with, and his performance so far has not hurt the team. Give him some time, as you can see one or two long returns really boost the average. If the Panthers' PR team rank stays this high and Edwards doesn't turn the ball over, then they're doing their jobs.

If the D would stop the other team in their own end a little more often, you might see some more opportunities for good returns. Carolina currently allows 43% conversions on third down.

#32 Snake

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 09:45 PM

After Thomas Davis, I don't expect much out of Hogan...ever.


IDK what happened to Davis but its rare. Most recover without problem.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 10:32 PM

whenever he gets some blocking i think he'll start breaking out

as for WR, Rivera said the opportunities aren't there since they aren't running 4 WR sets. I'd like to see them try some of the wildcat with him along with DWill. Or maybe run a reverse with him sometime. give him a chance out there

Why run a wildcat with Edwards when you have Newton who can run just as well and can pass it much better. I would like us to use a 4 or 5 wide set with an empty backfield and let newton run it up the field. If they don't cover everyone we get an easy catch. If we spread them out, we have enough linemen to cover the 4 defensive linemen and the Mike. Should allow big gains either way.

#34 4Corners

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 10:34 PM

I keep forgetting about Hogan; but I did watch the 30 for 30 last night on ESPN and his name was dropped a couple times. Some scrub sports agent said he really thought he was gonna sign Hogan, and if he did, Hogan would have been the highest drafted player he'd ever represented.

pretty good 30/30 last night, but I expect a little more from Spurlock.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 10:54 PM

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 10:57 PM

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol


I think Butler has been a very pleasant surprise.

I honestly think no one cares about Pugh or Stanford

#37 jtnc

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:00 PM

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol


Butler pretty much got bitch slapped by Jimmy Graham, and his weak ass attempt to tackle him afterwards.

#38 Ivan The Awesome

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:00 PM

I guess nobody cares about Butler lol


I certainly do. But I still feel we need one more CB from this draft. High if we can. Keep Munny in the slot, Gamble #1 then who ever at #2. Competition breeds greatness, Butler vs. Hogan vs. Draftee (prefer Cliff Harris or Stephon Gilmore).

Butler has done a great job in my opinion so far.

#39 pantherclaw

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:00 PM

Sounds like coach wants to get his play makers on the field.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:04 PM

Butler pretty much got bitch slapped by Jimmy Graham, and his weak ass attempt to tackle him afterwards.


that will happen more times than not when a 5'11 cb is checking a 6'5 former basketball player TE

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:05 PM

hester would have trouble having many good returns behind our special teams.

that entire unit just looks awful when it comes to blocking and tackling, it's no surprise there is never any room.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:12 PM

Butler pretty much got bitch slapped by Jimmy Graham, and his weak ass attempt to tackle him afterwards.


LOL what do you expect from a 5'10 guy covering a 6'5 guy. C'mon man.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:14 PM

LOL what do you expect from a 5'10 guy covering a 6'5 guy. C'mon man.


It was a sideline catch, Butler could have been at least a little aggressive.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:14 PM

Graham is a good tight end and he has one of the best QBs throwing to him... I'm pretty sure Butler on Graham was the definition of mismatch.

Can't expect Butler to be that great considering what we got him for, but he's made a play or two. Still holding out hope we got a steal but I was never expecting miracles from him. And yes, shutting down Graham with Brees throwing to him would be a miracle.

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Posted 12 October 2011 - 11:15 PM

I only time I remember Butler on Graham was in the redzone where he made the tackle from the back no homo

And the sideline back shoulder catch where he got pushed outta bounds


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