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#1 CardiacCats

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 04:20 PM

Round 2 of this and there are major shakeups after today's loss. It's obvious are run defense is pathetic, but there's a kid that I've been watching all week that will put a lot of smiles on your faces, he completely fits on our defense where we're weakest. From not even making the cut last week, I have him at #1 on the second list.

Biggest Needs: DT, CB, OLB, RT, WR

I've moved defensive tackle all the way up to #1 as Michael Turner made us look silly today, as well as Matt Ryan. We're so weak at DT it's almost scary. CB is at number two especially after I saw Munnerlyn look pitiful when Hardy smashed Ryan today but Munnerlyn still allowed Douglas to come up with that catch on the side lines, should have never happened. Out outside linebackers missed so many tackles today, it's almost funny to think that they're only our third biggest need. Byron Bell was also bad today, but it's hard to fault the kid considering he's an undrafted rookie from New Mexico playin in an environment like that. Naane is starting to look better so we can put WR at rest for now since there are way bigger needs on defense.

This week's prediction is that we will be picking in the 5-10 range.


1) Alamenda Ta'amu, NT/DT, Washington, Senior - 6'3" 337 lbs
2010 stats: 39 tackles, 1.5 sacks
2011 stats (so far): 18 tackles, 1.5 sacks
This guy fits what we need in a nut shell, he's huge and his strength is stopping the run. Considering Matt Forte, Maurice Jones-Drew, and Michael Turner all had their best games of the year respectively against our defense, this guy sounds good so far. He's great at eating up double teams allowing other players to make a play, if you think CJ and Hardy are good right now this guy would make them all the better. He would be the last piece to our defensive line to really make them elite. Even better, the guy is (right now anyways) projected to be a mid-to late first round pick in the draft so if we penciled him in as our man we could even trade back possibly, add that third round pick we're missing, and still get our guy. He was great last night against Colorado when he rounded up 5 tackles and 2 for a loss, again, I really like this kid.




2) Vontaze Burfict, LB, Arizona State, Junior - 6'3" 250 lbs
2010 stats: 89 tackles, 2 FF
2011 stats (thus far): 36 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 INT
This is another guy that would really help us out and should be available when we pick, there are cautions with him though. First off, he's been an MLB at Arizona State, the kid is incredibly talented and was one of the top players coming out of high school a few years back, but learning a new position certainly isn't easy (worst case scenario we move Beason back to the outside, but we could talk about this more if we took him). Another concern is discipline problems as everytime I watch him play he seems to draw all kinds of personal foul penalties - and this team certainly has really struggled with bone-headed penalties this season. He's still an incredible talent though as he has incredible size and runs about a 4.6. He's a very well rounded player and even fought through an ankle injury in the Sun Devils game against Missouri this year.




3) Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson, Senior - 6'2" 310 lbs
2010 season: 41 tackles, 1.0 sacks,
2011 season (thus far): 27 tackles, 0.5 sacks, 3 TFL
I put Thompson on the list last week and he made it again this week, just because of how weak our defensive tackles are. Thompson reminds me a bit of a better Terrell McClain as he's more of a playmaker instead of a clogger. He's still a solid talent though as he's projected to be a higher pick than Ta'amu, but the two are different players so it's a bit of an unfair comparison. Thompson seems to just find ways into the backfield to disrupt things.




4) Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama, Senior - 5'11" 186
2010 season (Florida): 43 tackles, 3 TFL, 1.0 sack 3 INT
I ranked two other CBs ahead of Jenkins last week, but based of sheer talent I think he's the best CB in the draft, but he is a big risk. Jenkins was charged for drugs multiple times at Florida and eventually was dismissed from Florida just a few weeks after turning down a chance to put his name in the NFL draft where he could have been a top 15 pick. After flirting with the idea of entering the supplemental draft, Jenkins decided to play his senior year at North Alabama university. This guy was a starter for the Gators ever since his freshman year when he was a member of that national championship squad. Jenkins is quick and changes direction very easily and plays bigger than his size. He would be a force next to Gamble and he shut down Julio Jones when he played for the Tide, and for the reminder Jones was just picked by our rival the Atlanta Falcons. He's a big risk but would also offer a huge reward.




5) Zach Brown, OLB, UNC, Senior - 6'2" 230
2010 season: 72 tackles, 3 INT
2011 season (so far): 42 tackles, 2.5 sacks, 1 INT
Brown is probably the best true outside linebacker that will be a member of this upcoming 2012 NFL draft and he is solid against both the run and the pass. He's quick off the edge and would be a great replacement to Thomas Davis, with him, Beason and James Anderson we would have one of the best LB cores in the league for years to come. He plays better in some games than other as after making 12 tackles against Virginia he was quiet the next week with only one against Georgia Tech. Brown is projected as a mid to late first round pick so it's a similar situation to Ta'amu's...we could possibly trade back and still pick him up.




Very different, I know as only one player is on the list from last week. Again, I really like the Ta'amu kid as he seems to be just what we need on the defensive line, but there will be other very good players to look at when we draft. Hope you guys enjoy...

#2 dc6738549

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:52 PM

I seriously hate the front seven prospects this year. The one front seven prospect in my top 15 overall is Coples whose a DE which we don't need. After the top 15 there are a lot of solid LBs and the CB draft is strong overall. If we end up with like the 5th overall pick and can't get a team like the Falcons did last year to mortgage their draft I don't know how we pass on an elite prospect like Blackmon or Kalil to reach on a defensive player even though we sorely need to improve the defense.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:55 PM

Brown is suppose to be ideal for a 3-4, wouldn't surprise me if Rivera wants to transition to that.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:58 PM

I seriously hate the front seven prospects this year. The one front seven prospect in my top 15 overall is Coples whose a DE which we don't need. After the top 15 there are a lot of solid LBs and the CB draft is strong overall. If we end up with like the 5th overall pick and can't get a team like the Falcons did last year to mortgage their draft I don't know how we pass on an elite prospect like Blackmon or Kalil to reach on a defensive player even though we sorely need to improve the defense.


If we drafted Matt Kalil, we could trade Otah for whatever DT/LB we could get that is capable starter?

Then move Bell to RG, Gross to RT to extend his career and have Kalil at LT.

Gross, Bell, Kalil(Ryan), Whartorn, Kalil(Matt) would be a pretty sick OL

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:33 PM

Don't think we'll be top 4 pick to get Kalil.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:36 PM

Don't think we'll be top 4 pick to get Kalil.

I don't think we will either, he could go as high as second overall.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:16 PM

I've seen Brandon Thompson in many mock drafts for us. We will see what happens the rest of the year.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:19 PM

Our OL is actually playing pretty well. IDT we spend a #1 on RT. From what John Lynch was saying today it sounded like Rivera is impressed enough with Bell to stick with him for at least another year (assuming Otah doesn't pan out). So let's assume Beason is back next year and fully healthy.

LB - Beason, Anderson, Williams, FA, draft pick (if we went 1st round LB then we better get a King's ransom at our current draft position)

DT - Sure we could pick this guy out of Washington but again it brings up a situation where we would have to move down in order to be smart about the pick. However, this is another situation where you have Ron Edwards coming back and you have Fua/McClain combo with a year under their belts and hopefully improved. Either way I don't see a Ndamakong Suh in this year's draft which IMO has been the only DT worth taking in the top 10 in the last decade. The rest have been an average crop. Its almost impossible to get a rookie at DT to be a difference-maker, which is why you let McClain and Fua have a full year and training camp before you go out and spend a #1 at that position.

CB - This is a position where I could see us making a move to upgrade. Gamble is getting older and Munnerlyn is not a #1 or #2 CB in this league. Very good slot corner but not a guy I want to play the boundary or the field position long-term. But again...we have to evaluate where Hogan is and how the talent is for this position in the draft. I put it at a firm 1B for rookie position of need.

WR - Personally if we have Alshon Jeffery sitting there staring us in the face and we have the potential of having him paired with Cam Newton for the foreseable future then that is the direction I would go. If we are drafting in our current position then he is definitely the best value for the pick regardless of position, he fills a need, he becomes the future at that position instantly (learning from and then replacing Smith in the next 5 years), and he has an immediate impact on our team. I know that the offense is playing great right now but you don't make your this pick based on how they will effect your team in the immediate future. IMO if we have the chance to draft Jeffery (or Blackmon for that matter) and we pass on them for more picks (that Hurney will squander) and a guy like Ta'amu we will call Hurney a moron for YEARS to come.

Edited by unicar15, 16 October 2011 - 09:23 PM.


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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:02 AM

Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
Height: 6-5. Weight: 350.

I got my eyes on this guy. He could be the next Wilkison to shoot up the draft boards, if we can get him in the 2nd that would be a great addition. Spend the first on a CB or BPA, OR trade that sonova bish away.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 12:35 AM

unicar15, those are pretty much my sentiments exactly.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 09:43 AM

Alamenda Ta'amu is very top heavy.. his weight is not distributed very well.. His legs won't give you much push on the pocket. In his highlight video, he gets pushed around, which is evidence of this. Looks like a bust waiting to happen.
Ideally, you want your NT to have a thick base.. (a big ass). No homo. He needs to be able to stand his ground, and this guy does not have it.

Vontaze Burfict is a MLB.. we don't need one.

Zach Brown would be perfect in our scheme.. not sure who said he belongs in a 3-4.. he doesn't fit that scheme at all.

Love Brandon Thompson, I watched the game against Maryland this weekend, and he was CONSTANTLY in the backfield disrupting plays. You absolutely have to double team this guy.

Jenkins belongs in the top 10-15 based on ability, but his off the field issues will make him slip to late 1st or early 2nd round.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 11:09 AM

Think Rivera would like to switch to a 3-4?

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 02:16 PM

Really looks like we could be switiching to the 3-4 which strengthens the possibility of Burfict or Te'o. But Ta'amu would also be a perfect fit in a 3-4 too so who knows.

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Posted 17 October 2011 - 03:08 PM

if we do indeed switch to a 3-4 draft the kid from Arizona state......him and Beason will make a hell of an inside LB corps


Very worried about 3-4 end rushers....CJ is one. Hardy as the other?

Again this is a total crap shoot up to this point

I wouldn't mind if we waited till the second to draft a corner

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Posted 18 October 2011 - 08:52 AM

if we do indeed switch to a 3-4 draft the kid from Arizona state......him and Beason will make a hell of an inside LB corps


Very worried about 3-4 end rushers....CJ is one. Hardy as the other?

Again this is a total crap shoot up to this point

I wouldn't mind if we waited till the second to draft a corner


Burfict could play OLB in either scheme IMO. He is an excellent pass rusher. In our 4-3 I actually think he is better suited at SLB then MLB.


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