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#76 Snake

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 12:12 PM

I think our offense is good enough to put up a two TDs where we can just run the ball most of the game. We just need to keep the defense on the sideline.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 01:30 PM

CJ is the DE on the right side and Trent Williams is the LT so they would be facing each other. the RT will not face the RDE unless he moved to the LDE spot.

i thought i seen him play the other side, oh well, i am still thinking that the Redskins may move Brown to the left anyway because he's played the left before.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:09 PM

Preseason counts for nothing but skillset is apparent regardless.
If you weren't to busy creatig strawman arguments you would realize that I'm talking about skillset.
But, how would you know, you haven't seen the guy play since 2007.



Straight forward and empirical:


http://www.usatoday....john-beck_N.htm

http://www.thephinsi.../5/2/0358/03650

Anyways here's AA:

http://blog.redskins...hony-armstrong/


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Read more at the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexa...e#ixzz1V8Y16as4

---------- Post added August-15th-2011 at 05:54 PM ----------

I've been keeping track of the players that comment on Beck, but especially about arm strength since the media reports seem to contradict the player comments.(not to mention the radar gun at the combine)

Yeah, I know me team.


Are you serious???? You have just lost any shred of credibility if you are going to tell me that preseason tells you anything. Anybody looks good when you are playing scrubs and there is no game-planning. Even then he had 1 TD and 2 TDs playing against scrubs and his passer rating was in the 70s. What kind of skill set is that????? Sucky?????? HIs longest pass in all his starts in Miami was 22 yards. Last week it was 32 and that wasn't all in the air.

Again if he is so good why had he not sniffed the field in 4 years since he was awful???


Now lets move on to your supposed expert analyses about his skills sets.

First of all being the second best quarterback in the 2007 combine was a lot like saying you are the fastest fat kid or the best quarterback out of a bunch of no bodies. The two best guys were Russell and Quinn and they have done what??? Oh yeah, next to nothing but it was a lot more than Beck. If he can throw so hard why did every analysis from 2007 say he had good speed on short and intermediate passes but lacked touch on the deep ball. They said he was a great backup in a west coast offense. The same thing they are saying about Clausen. Does he throw hard????


Moving on.
So now we have articles from homer writers and players saying he can throw the ball???


You went a long way to say nothing. How is any of that objective or factual other than he practiced. What is a person going to say, he looked good in practice but can't throw a deep ball? His arm strength is suspect??? Of course not.

Why didn't you include an article from his mother saying he was a good boy growing up and how he always had a good arm.

You searched since last night and this is the best you could come up with. I guess you are such a homer who just gobbles up all that crap you actually think that it proves your point.

The only thing it proves is that there is so little evidence of his skills since he hasn't started a game in 4 years, that you have to publish what a teammate said in practice as proof he is any good.

My proof is simple. If he was good throwing a deep ball then why didn't he last week??? If he was so good why has he not started in 4 years??? If he so good why did it take a horrendous outing by Grossman to elevate him to starting??

What you are is a big time homer who is lapping up every tidbit on Beck in the hope he doesn't suck and you don't fall further back from the rest of the division. But saying it is true doesn't make it true.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 02:13 PM

The redskins have given up the 2nd least points this year and we have given up the most (averages are slightly skewed because of byes).

http://www.nfl.com/s...&qualified=true

I know they haven't played spectacular teams but still.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:04 PM

Are you serious???? You have just lost any shred of credibility if you are going to tell me that preseason tells you anything.

Anyone that knows football knows how to assess physical skillset.
And physical skillset is always evident preseason or not.

Aside from your lack of knowledge your needlessly adversarial and confrontational nature of your posts already removed any credibility you had.
Not to mention you lack the courtesy to actual address the points in you responses without resorting to false claims, innaccurate claims and strawmen arguments.

This whole argument began because you misquoted me.
Don't forget that:

Beck is more talented then Grossman, better arm, more mobility less likely to piss himself and start tossing INTs like candy on halloween.
Even during preseason Beck was more efficient then Rex.
I think Beck starting is an upgrade from Rex but it will be his first start since 2007 so there's likely gonna be a good deal of rust.

It is widely known that Shanahan wanted Beck to start but he got injured and outplayed by Grossman. It was speculated that it was only a matter of time before he got the job. In the preseason Beck threw 1 TD and 2 Ints and had a passer rating of 74 while Grossman had a passer rating of 92 and threw 2 Tds and I Int.

Yeah Grossman was awful in the Philly game where he threw 4 Ints but up until that time he had thrown more TDs than Ints in preseason and during the year. By comparison, Beck for his career has thrown 1 TD:3 Ints. I don't know how you can say someone is better when they are 30 years old, have 4 total starts in his career which was in 2007 and has a career passer rating in the 60s.

This is where your false claims begin.
Notice no where in my post do I make the chief claim you argue against.
And with each post you just add more and more false claims and strawman arguments.


Now lets move on to your supposed expert analyses about his skills sets.

Another strawman where did I claim my opinion was expert analyses?

First of all being the second best quarterback in the 2007 combine <---False claim

This is a clearly BS argument.

If he can throw so hard why did every analysis from 2007 say he had good speed on short and intermediate passes but lacked touch on the deep ball.

LoL, its no longer a question of 'if'.
I made this statement:

Hmm.
I think the difference in arm strength was one of the more evident differences between Beck and Rex.
Beck throws with much more velocity, its one of the more prevelant misconceptions about Beck he's actually had one of the strongest arms at the combine the year he was drafted.

You challenged my statement with this:

As for your analysis regarding his arm strength here is what they said about him.

Citing what 'they' said about his arm strength.

Being measured by radar gun at the combine isn't opinion or what 'they' said its empirical, scientific fact.
Maybe you are unaware of it before but I posted the link and an portion of an article that mentioned Beck's arm strength as measured by radar gun at the combine.

If you can't man up and admit that don't bother replying to this post.

Beck's ball speed of 61.1 mph

http://www.usatoday....john-beck_N.htm

For comparison here's some other radar gun numbers of strong armed QBs:

Jay Cutler 60 mph
Colin Kaepernick 59 mph
Joe Flacco 58 mph
Ryan Mallett 58 mph
Cam Newton 56 mph

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 06:07 PM

Charles Johnson better have at least 2 sacks and a FF

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:10 PM



http://www.usatoday....john-beck_N.htm

For comparison here's some other radar gun numbers of strong armed QBs:

Jay Cutler 60 mph
Colin Kaepernick 59 mph
Joe Flacco 58 mph
Ryan Mallett 58 mph
Cam Newton 56 mph


Of all the garbage you have spouted this is the only shred of evidence you can make regarding his arm strength. I discount reports by teammates as blatant homerism. Lets for the sake of argument assume it is true and he did throw a ball at 60 miles an hour at least one time at the combine 4 years ago.

Why then do you suppose he didn't complete a pass beyond 22 yards in 110 attempts in 2007. If he has such a gun arm, why then did the experts say he doesn't have the arm strength to throw it deep.

Why is he considered best for a WCO instead of vertical passing game?

Maybe he has a strong arm but no touch on the ball?? Maybe he can sling it short but for some reason can't sling it deep. Since you are the supposed expert why do you think if he has such a great deep ball and strong arm why don't they have him throw it deep. Newton who supposedly throws it with less velocity throws a great deep ball and can put it on a rope 40-50 yards down the field.

I did read one article which suggested much like Clausen he has a low delivery which makes his 6'2" height functionally even shorter and would make it much harder to throw it deep without changing his mechanics and release point which affects his accuracy. As the redskin expert, what seems to be the problem???

Edited by panthers55, 21 October 2011 - 08:15 AM.


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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:15 PM

We better beat all living hell out of Washington. There is a Foreskins fan down the hall from me. All I hear every week is blind hate towards Cam (still...) and how much better the Foreskins are than the Panthers and how they would prove it.


There is no reason we can't win. Eliminate simple mental errors and take care of the football, and we win...as long as the defense can get some 3 and outs. If there is one thing I have learned from this team it is this. The more we have the ball, the better our chances. Green Bay, we had the ball A LOT. Atlanta, we had the ball for a LOOONG time on most drives. If we have TOP numbers in our favor, we put ourselves in a position to win. The defense just has to get Cam and Co. the ball back early and often.