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#1 1989

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 09:31 PM

http://www.nfl.com/n..._content_stream

"In 1998, Peyton Manning was as safe and pro-ready a quarterback prospect as they come. In 2011, Cam Newton was seen as a spectacular athlete, but a risk because he was raw at the position.

Both started in Week 1 as rookies, Newton with a truncated offseason. Their respective numbers through six weeks …

MANNING (1998): 113-210 (53.8 percent), 1,346 yards, 6 TD, 14 INT
NEWTON (2011): 134-229 (58.5 percent), 1,847 yards, 7 TD, 9 INT

So Newton threw more, for a higher completion percentage, more yards, more touchdowns and fewer interceptions than Manning. Both players' teams were 1-5 at that juncture.
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#2 Fiz

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 09:34 PM

Much different nfl these days.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 09:35 PM

Much different nfl these days.


yup.

Can't touch receivers anymore.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 09:37 PM

Five vs ten yard cushion. You also can't blow up people over the short middle anymore, though to be fair the panthers don't pass a lot there.

#5 King Taharqa

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:13 PM

The numbers speak for themselves.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:16 PM

Somebody compare Cam through six weeks vs Manning last year through 6 weeks.














Please

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:21 PM

Somebody compare Cam through six weeks vs Manning last year through 6 weeks.











Please




Yeah, cause that would prove that a seasoned, MVP, Super Bowl winning QB is better than a rookie. Totally sound argument. You nailed it, bro.


But why not.

Manning through 6 games last season:

Comp %: 67.75
Yards: 1,916
TD/INT ratio: 13-2


So, really, Newton isn't THAT far behind Manning in TODAY'S NFL. Obviously, the TD/INT ratio is way off, but that is to be expected. In terms of yardage and completion %, Cam looks like he could get to a Peyton-type of level sooner rather than later.

Edited by XLightsOutX, 20 October 2011 - 10:27 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:28 PM

Yeah, cause that would prove that a seasoned, MVP, Super Bowl winning QB is better than a rookie. Totally sound argument. You nailed it, bro.


ffs, :rolleyes:
Takes out the old rules vs new rules debate, bro.
Anyway, they both passed for about 1800 yards, Manning 2010, Cam 2011. See Bro, you totally missed my meaning.
Anyway, Manning has a huge advantage in the TD/INT ratio but you'd have to expect that.
However, Cam has run for 6 rushing TDs, something Peyton could never do.
All considered, Cam is doing a hellova job.
Bro.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:28 PM

shouldn't you also factor in the production on the ground and running TDs?

Newton's first 6 games: 207 yards and 7 touchdowns

Manning's entire rookie season: 62 yards and 0 touchdowns

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:30 PM

ffs, :rolleyes:
Takes out the old rules vs new rules debate, bro.
Anyway, they both passed for about 1800 yards, Manning 2010, Cam 2011. See Bro, you totally missed my meaning.
Anyway, Manning has a huge advantage in the TD/INT ratio but you'd have to expect that.
However, Cam has run for 6 rushing TDs, something Peyton could never do.
All considered, Cam is doing a hellove job.
Bro.



Oh, well then we agree. lol I misinterpreted what you said. It's late for me. I wrote an 8 page paper. I'm delirious. Forgive me.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:30 PM

shouldn't you also factor in the production on the ground and running TDs?

Newton's first 6 games: 207 yards and 7 touchdowns

Manning's entire rookie season: 62 yards and 0 touchdowns



Yes, you should.

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 10:34 PM

Also, look at it this way, in regards to Peyton last year through 6 vs Cam this year through 6. Since we have to account for Cam's running ability and his production there, let's look at total TD/TO ratio for Cam as an individual.


After Atlanta, he's sitting at 14-9. Now, let's think here. The first pick was just a tremendous play by the linebacker. 9 times out of 10, that is a ball that isn't tipped. Had Cam held it 1 second later, the linebacker would have been cleared due to the TE coverage he had, and it is a TD. So, let's drop that. Then, the screen pick was a freak play. 9 out of 10, that is either a missed bat down or just a bat down. Take that out. Last pick was a garbage time, meaningless INT. Take that out. Now, you're looking at 14-6. Not too shabby, in comparison to Peyton's 13-2 last season.


I know, it's all a matter of what MIGHT have been, but Cam's picks vs Atlanta really were not his fault. I think we all know that. Hell, had Steve had time to plant his feet, he out-jumps the DB for that first pick and it is a TD. Had a lineman got a hat on the fatass on the screen INT, that never happens. The last one, had we not dug ourselves in a hole, would have never happened, since it was clear by the way it was thrown that Cam said "fug it" and just threw up a jump ball.

Edited by XLightsOutX, 20 October 2011 - 10:37 PM.


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Posted 20 October 2011 - 11:04 PM

Wow even the Huddle is back in shape. Great post guy's! Very good points. Thanks
for sharing.

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 01:07 AM

Cam. Revolutionizing the way the QB position is scouted. ;)

For those who wondered how Cam will revolutionize the QB position watch Griffin III's draft stock skyrocket (if he and Cam both keeps their current pace).

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 01:57 AM

Also, look at it this way, in regards to Peyton last year through 6 vs Cam this year through 6. Since we have to account for Cam's running ability and his production there, let's look at total TD/TO ratio for Cam as an individual.


After Atlanta, he's sitting at 14-9. Now, let's think here. The first pick was just a tremendous play by the linebacker. 9 times out of 10, that is a ball that isn't tipped. Had Cam held it 1 second later, the linebacker would have been cleared due to the TE coverage he had, and it is a TD. So, let's drop that. Then, the screen pick was a freak play. 9 out of 10, that is either a missed bat down or just a bat down. Take that out. Last pick was a garbage time, meaningless INT. Take that out. Now, you're looking at 14-6. Not too shabby, in comparison to Peyton's 13-2 last season.


I know, it's all a matter of what MIGHT have been, but Cam's picks vs Atlanta really were not his fault. I think we all know that. Hell, had Steve had time to plant his feet, he out-jumps the DB for that first pick and it is a TD. Had a lineman got a hat on the fatass on the screen INT, that never happens. The last one, had we not dug ourselves in a hole, would have never happened, since it was clear by the way it was thrown that Cam said "fug it" and just threw up a jump ball.


A lineman did have a hat on him. He just recognized the play and started to drop back.


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