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#1 Frash Brastard

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 08:39 PM

http://dcprosportsre...m/MockDraft.htm

Yea this is a "redskins" draft database however it's not surprising that everybody seems to think we're gonna take a CB or WR in the first round. The tally goes something like this for the first ten.

Alshon Jeffery WR III
Morris Claiborne CB II
Dre Kirkpatrick CB II
Michael Floyd WR
Justin Blackmon WR
Brandon Thompson DT

I don't really agree with the consensus hierarchy because I think the defensive line is the next big thing we need to fix on this team, and a lot of these have us passing up Coples for these guys. It would be hard for me to pass him up if he dropped to our pick. Even if DE is not a glaring need, which it is not, despite Davis' career being over I don't want to spend yet another 1st round pick on a linebacker, and I think we're set at corner, and I like Thompson and Ta'amu, but not over Coples.

If you look at teams with the best defensive front I automatically have to cite the Giants. They've been dealing with injuries in their back 7 but they still are holding up because their front four is so talented. They harassed Fitzpatrick all day against Buffalo. Before that game Fitz had been knocked down 3 times all season and sacked only 3 times as well, until the Giants faced him, and knocked him down at least 4 times in addition to sacking him 3 times. This is a QB who throws the ball an average of 1.5 seconds after each snap btw. Yes Smith is on the wrong side of 30 but I think he's got some good years left so WR isn't an immediate need

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 10:39 PM

http://dcprosportsre...m/MockDraft.htm

Yea this is a "redskins" draft database however it's not surprising that everybody seems to think we're gonna take a CB or WR in the first round. The tally goes something like this for the first ten.

Alshon Jeffery WR III
Morris Claiborne CB II
Dre Kirkpatrick CB II
Michael Floyd WR
Justin Blackmon WR
Brandon Thompson DT

I don't really agree with the consensus hierarchy because I think the defensive line is the next big thing we need to fix on this team, and a lot of these have us passing up Coples for these guys. It would be hard for me to pass him up if he dropped to our pick. Even if DE is not a glaring need, which it is not, despite Davis' career being over I don't want to spend yet another 1st round pick on a linebacker, and I think we're set at corner, and I like Thompson and Ta'amu, but not over Coples.

If you look at teams with the best defensive front I automatically have to cite the Giants. They've been dealing with injuries in their back 7 but they still are holding up because their front four is so talented. They harassed Fitzpatrick all day against Buffalo. Before that game Fitz had been knocked down 3 times all season and sacked only 3 times as well, until the Giants faced him, and knocked him down at least 4 times in addition to sacking him 3 times. This is a QB who throws the ball an average of 1.5 seconds after each snap btw. Yes Smith is on the wrong side of 30 but I think he's got some good years left so WR isn't an immediate need


I understand were you are coming from but we don't really need a DE. But he would probably be best player available.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:27 AM

You don't take BPA period, you take BPA at a position of need. Besides, I doubt Coples is available when we pick anyway. Even if he was, it's inefficient to spend your top draft pick on a DE when our two DEs we already have are the best two players on the defense right now (not counting the hurt Beason).

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:31 AM

You don't take BPA period, you take BPA at a position of need. Besides, I doubt Coples is available when we pick anyway. Even if he was, it's inefficient to spend your top draft pick on a DE when our two DEs we already have are the best two players on the defense right now (not counting the hurt Beason).


i didn't say he would definitely be, but in a lot of those mocks they have us picking corners while he is still available

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:01 AM

We didn't need Kalil when we took him, he was a strict BPA pick. A lot of times, depending on the GM, you do go BPA according to your board and those aren't arranged by need.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 02:40 AM

I meant after the 1st. I just meant I don't think we can afford the luxury of taking a DE with our first round pick when we have some pretty important holes to fill right now. If there's a DE that looks like a good value later, I wouldn't speak ill of the choice to pick him. I just don't think we can afford the luxury of using our 1st round pick on a DE. If we're thinking that way, we might as well take a look at Trent Richardson or Landry Jones or Robert Griffin III while we're at it.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 08:54 PM

I meant after the 1st. I just meant I don't think we can afford the luxury of taking a DE with our first round pick when we have some pretty important holes to fill right now. If there's a DE that looks like a good value later, I wouldn't speak ill of the choice to pick him. I just don't think we can afford the luxury of using our 1st round pick on a DE. If we're thinking that way, we might as well take a look at Trent Richardson or Landry Jones or Robert Griffin III while we're at it.


there are a lot of ways you can put the 3 of them on the field at the same time. For instance you can put either CJ or Coples in the interior on passing downs, and line up the other 2 at end. And I don't feel as though there's a huge dropoff between Thompson and lower ranked DTs that would be available when we pick in the 2nd.

it's not a luxury pick because we have a problem with getting to the passer. With Drew Brees, Freeman and Ryan in our division we're gonna have to get better at getting to the QB. Coples affords us the ability for D-line flexibility in a lot of ways, and he's a great talent. It's not like we're throwing Hardy away. Like I said on obvious passing downs you could put all 3 on the line with Edwards to take up some blockers and blitz one of your LBs up the middle, with Coples in the middle as well you're much more likely to collapse the pocket. It's not about "lets upgrade our starting DE" it's about adding a big nasty pass rusher you can utilize in a lot of different ways, alongside Hardy. His presence could also help Hardy make a lot of plays as well.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 10:38 AM

I just don't think we can afford the luxury of using our 1st round pick on a DE. If we're thinking that way, we might as well take a look at Trent Richardson or Landry Jones or Robert Griffin III while we're at it.


Not really. There is a big difference between taking possibly the best pass rusher in the draft that you can find ways to get on the field and will strengthen our defense, and taking a quarterback that won't see the field ever, or a running back who'll probably be third string in a passing offense.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 02:05 PM

Well, I was being facetious, but I just don't see getting all three on the field in a 4-3 and not give up a huge size difference. I just don't see it as big of an positive impact of taking a 2nd string DE (after Hardy and Johnson) on the team as taking a possible starting OT, WR or CB.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 02:36 PM

Well, I was being facetious, but I just don't see getting all three on the field in a 4-3 and not give up a huge size difference. I just don't see it as big of an positive impact of taking a 2nd string DE (after Hardy and Johnson) on the team as taking a possible starting OT, WR or CB.


you're getting too hung up on the whole "starter" thing

OT and WR are also reasonable needs, but upgrading corner isn't going to do anything if there's no rush in the QB's face, and they have like 9 seconds to throw. Coples also has experience in the interior.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 05:15 PM

I, for one, do not want Coples

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 06:45 PM

At the moment, we have a top 5 pick.

Hoping that Cleveland or Cincy fall in love with someone and trade us their two #1's. That would be our best bet.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 07:36 PM

Could probably trade Hardy for a good pick if we draft Coples.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 07:39 PM

If we have the #4 pick which is about where we are currently, would you trade it for the 18th and 23rd pick that Cincy currently has? I think I would.

Get (2) a very good OT, WR, LB and DT at that point. No real playmakers beyond the QB's and WR's in the draft. Not our best option.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 07:41 PM

If we have the #4 pick which is about where we are currently, would you trade it for the 18th and 23rd pick that Cincy currently has? I think I would.


definitely


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