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#16 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 07:45 PM

He may time 4.4, but he plays a lot slower.


There is absolutely nothing that warrants this, nor gives it any shred of credibility.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 07:48 PM

Blackmon is better, just accept it.


Did I ever say that Jeffery was better? Just accept the fact that Alshon is better than you give him credit. Actually, if I had to pick between the two, I'd want Blackmon for this offense (mostly because he can take over for Smith and Lafell is already a possession type receiver...also because I think Blackmon is a bit better than Alshon). But for all of you who say that Alshon is gonna be a bust, can't run, and is the same as Williams and Jarrett, that's just ridiculous. As for the speed...like I said, he's not a burner. But these two teams had some pretty good speed in their defensive backfield:





He's got a few more...a couple against Vandy, Clemson, Auburn, ECU, Alabama, etc. Again, he's not a burner, but that's not his game either. He's a possession receiver and can stretch the field with his amazing jump-ball ability. And several defenders have been caught making the same mistake as fans saying he's slow. He's deceptively fast. Here's some more highlights against the eventual national champions (go to 1:50 to see another play where he starts to break away) and some against Dre Kirkpatrick and the Alabama D (go to the 1:50 mark here too to see him make Kirkpatrick look foolish):





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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:14 PM

There is absolutely nothing that warrants this, nor gives it any shred of credibility.


Other than watching the videos and seeing damn near everyone catch him.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:16 PM

Jeffrey would be an awesome TE.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:20 PM

Speed is not his game. Although, he's faster than Sidney Rice. And he has better jump-ball skills than Sidney. But I guess Sidney sucks too?

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:24 PM

Sidney suck? No, but there are several that are better.

This is like arguing about The Golden Calf of Bristol with a Florida homer.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:29 PM

Speed is not his game. Although, he's faster than Sidney Rice. And he has better jump-ball skills than Sidney. But I guess Sidney sucks too?


Give it up, GS4, he's axe grinding. He isn't going to see the facts you've presented, he's going to look at your screen name and ignore everything else. He obviously had some kind of awkward problem with USC, and it bleeds into his posts whenever a Gamecock is brought up as a possible draftee.

Ironically enough, every Tarheel that hits the waiver wire or Sooner that is there for the picking is somehow the final cog to our team.

As I said, ignore him. JOAT's a good poster but it would seem he's more of a college guy than a pro fella because his opinion on schools affects his judgement of prospects.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:30 PM

Dude, I said that I would rather have Blackmon. I'm just trying to show you that just because you hate Alshon doesn't mean he sucks. I mean scouts love Alshon's ability and that is their job. I highly doubt that you get paid to scout receivers. And if you're telling me that there is a better receiver out there than Sidney Rice (I'm talking about Alshon) and you don't want him then you, my friend, are a hater.

And before you try the "homer" crap again, I'll go ahead and tell you right now that Stephon Gilmore is one of the most overrated CB's I've seen in a long time. But Alshon is a darn good WR and I'm not sure if it's jealousy, envy, or what that has you hating on him but he is much better than you think. I mean the dude straight abused Dre Kirkpatrick (a surefire first-round pick) last year. But I guess that's not enough?

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:34 PM

It has nothing to do with being from USC, I'm just not as in love with him as the Gamecock fans here.

I don't want Coples, didn't want Quinn or Loafholt when he came out. Thought AP was too risky given his injury history, etc.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:36 PM

Give it up, GS4, he's axe grinding. He isn't going to see the facts you've presented, he's going to look at your screen name and ignore everything else. He obviously had some kind of awkward problem with USC, and it bleeds into his posts whenever a Gamecock is brought up as a possible draftee.

Ironically enough, every Tarheel that hits the waiver wire or Sooner that is there for the picking is somehow the final cog to our team.

As I said, ignore him. JOAT's a good poster but it would seem he's more of a college guy than a pro fella because his opinion on schools affects his judgement of prospects.


Yeah man. I mean I just don't understand why people have such a hate towards college kids sometimes. I think you're exactly right about the problem with USC thing. And I know I don't talk about other guys as much as I do Gamecocks but that's mostly because I watch them every game and know what they are capable of. I honestly don't think this guy has ever seen Alshon in person. Or if so, just blindly ignores what he does because of his hatred. Some people just choose to be ignorant I guess...

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:41 PM

I'm not even "in love" with Alshon. I just think he is way better than people give him credit. You have yet to say anything about his jump-ball skills, body control, physicality, etc. You choose to be stuck on the fact that he doesn't run a 4.2 40 yard dash and that is your only basis for saying he's not any good.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:41 PM

Stupid is as stupid does.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:45 PM

I'm not even "in love" with Alshon. I just think he is way better than people give him credit. You have yet to say anything about his jump-ball skills, body control, physicality, etc. You choose to be stuck on the fact that he doesn't run a 4.2 40 yard dash and that is your only basis for saying he's not any good.


I never said anywhere that he wasn't good- nowhere. The fact that you're putting words in my mouth and getting so defensive tells me how much of a homer you are.

I just think he's a number one WR and that's what we need. I see that in Blackmon. I see the need for a speed guy on the outside because of the nature of our offense. Because I think he'll struggle getting seperation without speed at the NFL level.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:54 PM

I never said anywhere that he wasn't good- nowhere. The fact that you're putting words in my mouth and getting so defensive tells me how much of a homer you are.

I just think he's a number one WR and that's what we need. I see that in Blackmon. I see the need for a speed guy on the outside because of the nature of our offense. Because I think he'll struggle getting seperation without speed at the NFL level.


Outside of the first paragraph, this is your first quality post in this thread with a legitimate argument. The point about you saying he isn't good is when you compared him to USCw Mike Williams. No, you didn't say he's not good. But you compared him to a terrible receiver. That is practically the same thing. And my getting defensive isn't just because of you. It's because of people all over this site saying that Alshon is going to be a bust simply because they dislike USC. But now that we have a bit of a discussion going, I will put this aside.

My argument to the separation issue is that Alshon uses his physicality to get separation rather than speed. Off the top of my head, there is a slant route in the Alabama highlights where Alshon was covered tight by Dre Kirkpatrick but uses his size advantage to push him aside and get some space. That is his game. He does this as good as anyone I have seen. The TD he caught also shows him using his physicality and then a short burst of speed to break away from the CB for an easy score. 1-on-1, there isn't one DB in the SEC that can completely shut Alshon down. Not to mention that he runs and adjusts to that back-shoulder fade with the best of them.

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Posted 02 November 2011 - 08:58 PM

CB's are a lot more physical in the NFL, I don't think that'll get him as far in the NFL, much like Mike Williams. He was awesome in college, but his game just didn't translate to the NFL. I don't think Jeffrey will be that good of a pro receiver. I didn't make a Jarrett comparison, but I do think it's fitting.


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