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#1 DawgzLife

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:12 AM

Okay, we are at the bye week & have seen our team perform. I think most of us are surprised by the effetiveness of our offense & completely in awe of Cam. Injuries have really hurt our D, but in all, we have a lot to build on.

What would you do before the start of the next season to improve this team? Can be: cuts, FA signings, draft, coaching changes, everything is game.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:14 AM

I would start Lafell over Naanee.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:22 AM

stop mental errors
improve team technically in blocking and tackling
get Edwards Beason Gettis Barnidge Shwartz of IR
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Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:38 AM

I would start Lafell over Naanee.



OFFENSE

And I'd start sprinkling in Armanti Edwards into the offense, perhaps in the slot. There's no point in keeping him around next year if he can't play... The catch 22 here, is that he needs to see some playing time.

Add depth to the O-line through FA this year.

Re-sign Shockey

Perhaps draft a bonefide WR (this is a want and not a priority this year IMO)

DEFENSE

Draft draft draft!!

DT, CB(s), LB, maybe even a DE for depth.

Definitely need to add a vet guy, younger preferably.

OVERALL

It was pretty obvious that this year, we did almost everything to help out the O and Cam Newtons recipe for success.

I think that our defense was lacking, but afte being decimated by injuries it became painfully obvious that we need to look long and hard at this side of the ball during the offseason.

You can only do so much at a time, and I believe that the FO thought this defense would bs good enough to compete. Quite simply injuries FUGGED us. It's part of the game though.

It's already been said by multiple people including myself, that we can now appeal to FA's due to Cam and how close we have been. I think that will give big-name to middle-tier guys the incentive to think to themselves..
"If I go there, maybe I can push them over the top" I think that works to our advantage.

Lastly, I think it's imperative to pick up a solid back up at QB. We can Ill afford to wind up like The Colts. DA can fill this role maybe til next year, so add him to the "re-sign" category.

All in all, I would not be surprised in the least if we are SuperBowl favorites going into next year, if we can put the "right pieces" in the right places.

We as a fanbase (and the players) are going to have to get used to playing as the favorites... Because the days of us being the under dogs are done after this season.

As we all have been saying... The Future is bright, let's go get it!!!

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:38 AM

Have Rivera watch every broadcast of the Patriots over the last few years so he can learn how to game manage watching Bill Belichick.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:49 AM

Have Rivera watch every broadcast of the Patriots over the last few years so he can learn how to game manage watching Bill Belichick.


You obviously didn't watch The Steelers game then.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 09:56 AM

What's up with all the homerism over Armanti? He hasn't shown me much of anything to warrant making an attempt at "sprinkling" him in anywhere. I barely have confidence he's not going to muff a punt.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:04 AM

What's up with all the homerism over Armanti? He hasn't shown me much of anything to warrant making an attempt at "sprinkling" him in anywhere. I barely have confidence he's not going to muff a punt.


I think TruCatz has it right. We gave up a lot for Armanti (a freakin 2nd rounder...don't get me started!), so I think he needs to be put in the fire & see if he is gold or ore.

I never liked the pick & I hate seeing him returning punts, but we have to see what we have & move on...it may be wasting a roster spot for a game-changer...but we have to see what he has first.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:07 AM

You obviously didn't watch The Steelers game then.


Every second of it televised in my area.

Learning what not to do is sometimes more important, but clock management is one of Rivera's biggest shortcomings. He needs to unlearn what Turner has taught him and watch broadcast games to see that part of the game.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 10:50 AM

Every second of it televised in my area.

Learning what not to do is sometimes more important, but clock management is one of Rivera's biggest shortcomings. He needs to unlearn what Turner has taught him and watch broadcast games to see that part of the game.


Then u should have noted that NE scored with 4 min left on the clock, but Bellicek didn't challenge that the player got in. Eventually they scored with a little over 1 min left.

Had BB challenged the first call, they could have kicked it deep and let the Defense play for a 3 and out. Instead of the pathetic onside attempt.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 11:20 AM

Then u should have noted that NE scored with 4 min left on the clock, but Bellicek didn't challenge that the player got in. Eventually they scored with a little over 1 min left.

Had BB challenged the first call, they could have kicked it deep and let the Defense play for a 3 and out. Instead of the pathetic onside attempt.


Belichick is the best clock manager I can think of, but nobody is perfect I suppose. Did you bring all that from memory or had to google it? I watch every game televised from every weekend and they just run together after a few hours. Anyway the fact is Rivera's clock management skills are extremely suspect and I think he can learn a thing or two by watching Belichick's work. You are free to recommend a better clock manager, but the fact is Turner is one of the worse I know of and that is who Rivera has learned from recently. When you analyze all of Belichick's results I think they speak for themselves.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 11:30 AM

1) I don't care how many FA's we have to bring in, or how many picks we use, but we have to get better play at the DT position.
2) Get a solid starter at OLB.
3) Solidify #2 WR. Naanee hurts us more than helps us.
4) Select depth players with the experience and the desire to play on ST.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 11:31 AM

Every second of it televised in my area.

Learning what not to do is sometimes more important, but clock management is one of Rivera's biggest shortcomings. He needs to unlearn what Turner has taught him and watch broadcast games to see that part of the game.


Okay, clock management is something to work on. I don't like Bell Chick. Ha!

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 11:51 AM

Belichick is the best clock manager I can think of, but nobody is perfect I suppose. Did you bring all that from memory or had to google it? I watch every game televised from every weekend and they just run together after a few hours. Anyway the fact is Rivera's clock management skills are extremely suspect and I think he can learn a thing or two by watching Belichick's work. You are free to recommend a better clock manager, but the fact is Turner is one of the worse I know of and that is who Rivera has learned from recently. When you analyze all of Belichick's results I think they speak for themselves.


No googling was required. I watched the game and was quite frankly in dis-belief because he's usually all over it.

As far as clock management goes... If you're a HC in the NFL and you haven't figured it out yet, then u pretty much suck in my book. Because I'm a Panthers fan, and my homer glasses stay in I give RR the benefit of the doubt. He does need to be better at this aspect. We can all only hope that He has learned from his bone headed mistakes and won't make them again.

Now let's get back on track and talk about players, because the coaching staff Is going to stay in place for the most part.

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Posted 06 November 2011 - 12:21 PM

OVERALL

First, sorry so long, but this is what a bye week does to a guy! :o

TruCatz had a great post & I feel the same on many of the items. I think our O was the focus this past off-season to get Cam the tools & it was the right move; you can only do so much at once. By getting a franchise QB & great OC, we are a top O in the league…I look for that to happen for the D this year. I don’t believe the team thought we were going to be a playoff contender, & as such didn’t want to over reach on D, until they knew what they had…players & coaches.

Carolina will be a place players look to come next year; we are on the way up.

IMO, we should not convert to a 3-4 Defense. Keep the 4-3 D scheme vs. trying to go to 3-4. Converting can take multiple years & can be a difficult transition. We have had good success getting player for the 4-3 up until the time Fox decided to tank the Panthers, so I don’t want to see a transition…that could take a few years to get all of the right personnel in place (it is a major change in personnel).

Any comments on drafting is all speculative & in reality is dependent on who is there; we should be selecting BPA.

OFFENSE

O BY POSITION

QB: Cam starter of course. Look to get a quality back-up next year in FA. Anderson is on a 1 year contract I think. It would be acceptable to have him back, but think we need a guy that we feel comfortable with if Cam goes down for multiple games. I would get rid of Clausen (trade for puppy chow if necessary, but could get a 6-7th rounder for him). I think we need to move on from past mistakes & Clausen still keeps talking like he could be a starter, not good for team chemistry. Maybe draft a QB in late round or as a UFA.

RB: We are good here. I’m not 1 for trading Williams or Stewart, but feel Chud needs to use them more effectively; I would like to see Chud improve our run formations & rushing attack. It’s not bad, but we can’t get in a run formation & cram it down anyone’s throat like we could in the past. Spend time with Goodson working on his hands & fumbling…he is a good RB, but we have to be able to count on him. For FB, we are set with Felton.

TE: Olsen is with us; Re-sign Shockey; Barnidge will be back next year if re-signed. I want to see more on what they want to do with Brockel…I know Rivera likes him, but need to see more before next year, he’s also a FA. We may not sign Barnidge b/c Hartsock is signed for another year too, but Hartsock doesn’t bring the same speed to the field.

WR: Cut Smith (yeah right!) how amazing has he been; Gettis will be back & may be our #2 (a little concerned about his blocking abilities…I can’t remember how he was with that); teach LaFell more of the scheme details (blocking, etc…it’s a main reason we drafted him), Nanee has to be starting this year for the intricacies vs. the receiving portion of the wideout position. Not sure how I feel about re-signing Nanee, but think he is on a 1 year contract, so they will have to decide. His blocking is good, but hurts us with his drops. Draft a WR also, but in rounds 4-7, not rounds 1-3.

OL: I do feel we need to move on from Otah, we cannot count on him, even tho he’s an awesome run blocker when healthy (I don’t love him in pass blocking, but he is not a liability). Otah’s contract is little north of $1 mil, so we could keep him with little risk tho. With that said, I would like to see us get a LT in rounds 1, 2 or 3; if so, move Gross to RT. If we had to stick with Gross at LT & Bell at RT (if he improves throughout the year), then we have the flexibility to go OLB or DT at the top of the draft. We do need more depth, but will also be getting back some good depth guys next year. Maybe sign or draft another quality RG, but I think Hangartner is doing a good job (we have him for another 3 years after this I think). I think we got a steal in Byron Bell, even if not a starter he is very good & didn’t come form a solid line of coaching, so he will get better.

O Re-signings: Shockey; Nanee (I think no, but if Rivera likes him, they will); Derrick Anderson? (would prefer not to & sign a better backup QB); Barnidge (should be pretty cheap to resign & is like another Greg Olsen); Bernadeau

O FAs: Back-up QB; OL depth.

O Draft: Starting LT (only if a stud is available)-rounds 1-7; WR-rounds 4-7, + UFAs.

O Trade/Release: Clausen either trade or release, good contract $, but could be a team cancer & may get something small for him (6-7th rounder)…cut losses IMO. Maybe get something for Otah is possible (he’s only on contract for 1 more year. If no takers we have a quality starter for the year, but he’s a FA after next season & too much risk to sign to a big contract, IMO).

DEFENSE
D BY POSITION

DE: Sign another mid-level FA to backup CJ; CJ, Hardy & Applewhite stay & hold down the fort. Could draft a DE in rounds 4-7, + sign UFA, but only if a player drops like Charles Johnson did when we drafted him (it wasn’t a large drop, but he was projected as a 1st rounder). Amazingly, we are pretty good here if we fix the DT position.

DT: We will get Ron Edwards back, but he is a stop gap, IMO. Draft DT in round 1-3 if quality is right for spot…move down if needed & pick up extra pick if possible OR…sign a high value DT in FA. Our young guys should be able to rotate in & out & maybe man 1 of the 2 spots, but that’s not a given based on their play SO FAR & we have to count on injuries. I think we need someone for even 1-2 years to provide impact while the young guys develop & rotate in.

OLB: Area of high need…draft OLB high, round 1-2; Restructure TD; possibly sign a FA OLB; draft another in late rounds. Work on converting Norwood to OLB during off-season.

MLB: Depends on how Conner finishes the season. Beason should be back. Conner is a FA; not sure about Gaither’s contract length. I think re-sign Conner, but he may be fairly expensive, depending on how other teams view him.

CB: Draft a 3rd-4 rounder; Depends on how Butler finishes the season. As of now, I only see Gamble as a ‘top notch’ starting CB & he is getting old. We do have some quality CBs in Munnerlyn & Butler, + we will see what Hogan, Stanford & Thomas will give us. Still feel we need a shutdown corner tho.

SS: Godfrey has it locked down & will look better with improved DL, LB & CB play. Need to add competition; sign mid-level FA or draft possibly. Hines may be able to do this, but haven’t seen enough & he’s a rookie.

FS: Same as Godfrey, but need depth & competition. He is only signed thru next year. This would be nice to get a dynamic play-maker like Ed Reed in here tho…that would change our D in a big way. Panthers have really never went high for a safety tho. I used to like Pugh, but he is either having an awful year or just needs to be replaced. If a guy goes down we need starter quality...Pugh this year has shown me he is not it.

D Re-signings: Most big re-signings happened this year. Applewhite (did we pick him up on waivers? If so, he’s a on a 1 yr contract from 49rs); Conner (but may just keep Gaither for that role…backup MLB?); Butler is a FA, but I think he’s signed thru 2013

D FAs: Possibly an impact DT, CB or FS (impact ball-hawk only, we have a solid FS).

D Draft: Need a lot of help in the defense, starters & depth. DT, rounds 1-3; OLB, rounds 1-2; CB, rounds 3-7; S, rounds 5-7. Plus possible UFAs for all.

SPECIAL TEAMS
K: As of now, it would be smart to bring in competition & cut Mare if he does not outshine them. Missing a 30 yarder is unacceptable for the price of his contract; We need someone we can count on & shouldn’t be spending huge $ on a kicker. I hope he straightens out or maybe sign that FA kicker from New Orleans…John Kasey I think his name is. We will just stick with Mare & hope it works out, I’m sure.

P: Good

KR/PR: Need to draft or sign both a kick & punt returner…a guy who can play coverage on STs too. Goodsen could be 1 of 2 KR guys if he got his hands right. I don’t like Pilares returning so far. They say he can breakaway, but I don’t see field speed…he seems to have track speed. We need a game-changer here.

COACHING:
HC: Give Rivera the off-season to review tape & learn. I think he will be a great HC for us for years to come.

OC: Keep Chud as OC. Obvious, but I give him a lot of credit for Cam’s success…he is good at knowing what his players can do & taking advantage of that.

DC: Need work here. Either let McDermott go & sign a more experienced DC or Rivera needs to get more involved & teach McDermott how to coach defense. I do not like the way McDermott calls defensive plays & has our LBs & DBs out of position. I do not think it’s just matter of personnel. I could be wrong & hope I am.

Final Thought
In all, the rest of this season will be a time to zero in on the producers & this off-season should be fun to watch. I really hope we build primarily thru the draft & don’t overpay for players. We should get 1-3 impact FAs tho IMO (all on the D side of the ball). We need to build a defense to go to the superbowl, not to just compete or ‘not lose games for us’.

Of course I’m missing stuff & the rest of the year will change things, but it’s a bright future. Now we just hope Hurney & Rivera make the right moves. The are the pros & they did a great job with offense this year…glad we are just playing pretend, but things are looking up!!! :drool5:


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