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[engine9]

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President Obama has a huge political debt to the unions and that's why he's avoiding the obvious solution to the auto crisis.

Historically, failing American companies like GM have entered bankruptcy. In bankruptcy, they either liquidate or, if the firm is worth saving, reorganize.

Bankruptcy reorganizations are painful for stakeholders. Hard-nosed judges give workers, managers and debtors severe haircuts in order to reshape a firm into a new organism that can thrive again. But bankruptcy can work. Most everyone has flown on an airline that has emerged from a successful bankruptcy.

This economic crisis is unique in history in that troubled firms have sought protection from politicians, rather than bankruptcy courts. Why? Because if you're politically connected, you can expect a much better deal from politicians than you would ever get from a worldly and experienced bankruptcy judge.

GM is in deep trouble mostly because the United Auto Workers have festooned the company with rigid work rules and extravagant costs. The 2007 collective-bargaining agreement, for example, required the automaker to pay up to $140,000 in severance to a worker whose position was eliminated. And that is nothing compared to the enormous health-care costs these companies are laden with. The average cost of employing a worker at the Big Three, including benefits, was nearly twice that of Japanese automakers. No wonder the automakers are hemorrhaging cash.

A bankruptcy judge would bring some reason to labor costs and create a GM that could emerge stronger. But the unions have a better idea. They plan to use taxpayer money to fund their juicy compensation. And they know they can count on Obama and the Democrats to help them. All told, organized labor contributed over $74 million in the 2008 campaign cycle, 92 percent of that went to Democrats.

History will tell a simple story about GM: Union bosses successfully negotiated sweetheart packages that destroyed GM's competitiveness. If Obama was serious about creating an enterprise that can thrive in the future, he would have demanded that the union bosses resign along with Wagoner. Instead, it's payback time.

Kevin Hassett is the director of economic studies at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, D.C.

[Murph]

Kevin Hassett has just got a hit put out on him.

[Panthro]

He may already be floating in Lake Erie

[mmmbeans]

to be fair, the airlines are a poor example given that we've bailed them out a number of times apiece. GM is to some extent an industry in and of itself in this country. Talking about it as though GM's liquidation at this point in time would be comparable in any way to any one of a number of airlines failing during flush times is oversimplification at best.

But the unions are going to make significant concessions....

[engine9]

to be fair, the airlines are a poor example given that we've bailed them out a number of times apiece. GM is to some extent an industry in and of itself in this country. Talking about it as though GM's liquidation at this point in time would be comparable in any way to any one of a number of airlines failing during flush times is oversimplification at best.

But the unions are going to make significant concessions....

His opinions on the UAW's level of blame and the comparisons to the airlines' past woes may not be universal, but GM eventually having to bite the bullet and file for bankruptcy are pretty popular.

[Davidson Deac II]

Listening to the discussion on NPR today, it seems that GM will likely survive, albeit in a reduced form. But Chrysler might be toast.

[cookinwithgas]

The UAW agreements have been a real financial burden on the company, but to say that they are "mostly" the cause is silly. 40 years of rusty planned obsolescence pitted against Japanese and German quality, and the arrogance to think that Americans would not know the difference, is what put them in a hole.

[catfang]

The UAW agreements have been a real financial burden on the company, but to say that they are "mostly" the cause is silly. 40 years of rusty planned obsolescence pitted against Japanese and German quality, and the arrogance to think that Americans would not know the difference, is what put them in a hole.

This was definitely true 20 years ago, but initial quality now for american cars (GM and Ford anyway) is on par with japanese cars. How they hold up in the future remains to be seen. Regarding the Germans - outstanding engineering and fantastic driving experience, but every german car I've owned has had it's share of troubles, more than than problems with any american car I've owned, and at twice the price to repair.

Speak with someone outside the unions that lives in Detroit. You'll be amazed at how much legacy costs go into each car/truck GM sells.

[SCP]

I blame it all on duelly pick up trucks.

[Carolina Husker]

The only shot GM has is to file Chapter 11. Obama's kidding himself if he thinks there's another way.

[Matt Foley]

The only shot GM has is to file Chapter 11. Obama's kidding himself if he thinks there's another way.

Obama is the devil.

[cookinwithgas]

This was definitely true 20 years ago, but initial quality now for american cars (GM and Ford anyway) is on par with japanese cars. How they hold up in the future remains to be seen. Regarding the Germans - outstanding engineering and fantastic driving experience, but every german car I've owned has had it's share of troubles, more than than problems with any american car I've owned, and at twice the price to repair.

Speak with someone outside the unions that lives in Detroit. You'll be amazed at how much legacy costs go into each car/truck GM sells.

This can all be true, but overcoming 40 years of neglect and almost-rans is going to take time these companies don't have.

When I went shopping for a new car, I wanted to lease a convertible. My main choices were the Miata, the Solstice, and it's Saturn cousin the Sky.

Saturn didn't lease, so it was out. The Pontiac looked pretty cool, and technically had a faster motor than the Miata - but the interior felt more confined and less refined. The top went into the trunk which took up like 90 percent of that space. In order to put the top down you had to stop the car, get out, unhinge the back section and lift it up, fold the top into the trunk, and move some covers on the roof snaps or something like that. The Miata - I just pull a latch and throw the top backwards and it locks into its own storage while I'm at a light. Getting it back up in a hurry is a nice feature for unexpected rain storms.

It's another example of marketing over function. It was a lot more about how cheaply could they make a car that looked cool at the dealership, and less about what people actually want in a car.

For my next car I am seriously considering a Ford - I love the look of the new Challenger too, but will there be parts for it a few years from now?

[catfang]

This can all be true, but overcoming 40 years of neglect and almost-rans is going to take time these companies don't have.

When I went shopping for a new car, I wanted to lease a convertible. My main choices were the Miata, the Solstice, and it's Saturn cousin the Sky.

Saturn didn't lease, so it was out. The Pontiac looked pretty cool, and technically had a faster motor than the Miata - but the interior felt more confined and less refined. The top went into the trunk which took up like 90 percent of that space. In order to put the top down you had to stop the car, get out, unhinge the back section and lift it up, fold the top into the trunk, and move some covers on the roof snaps or something like that. The Miata - I just pull a latch and throw the top backwards and it locks into its own storage while I'm at a light. Getting it back up in a hurry is a nice feature for unexpected rain storms.

It's another example of marketing over function. It was a lot more about how cheaply could they make a car that looked cool at the dealership, and less about what people actually want in a car.

For my next car I am seriously considering a Ford - I love the look of the new Challenger too, but will there be parts for it a few years from now?

Um, miata?

J/k

[Darth Biscuit]

Reading Cookin's comments, I have a simliar story... we're not really in the market, but I've looked a little bit lately just to see what was out there. We stopped and looked at the new Ford Fusion the other day and I must say that I was impressed. The quality looked good and it looked a lot more like a modern car than some of the other recent Ford's I've seen, particularly on the interior. For some reason it took the American car companies a LONG time to wake up and realize that the foreign makers were killing them in both value and quality. I guess they figured brand loyalty would keep them afloat?

Sunday there was a car show at the local Chevy dealer and I took my boys over there... while I was there I checked out a brand new 2009 Cobalt SS... granted it was the top of the line model, but I would seriously consider buying one if I was in the market for that kind of car. It had good interior room, and was nicely put together... a far cry from some of the crappy Chevy vehicles (in particular their cars) I've seen in recent years.

The shame is that it's probably too little, too late.

[shinner]

Saturn didn't lease, so it was out.

Did Saturn stop leasing completely or just for the model you were looking at?