You mean the year after he got us to a Super Bowl for being clutch?
You said the other day that Peyton Manning who has gone to multiple Super Bowls and actually won one with worse defenses than Jake had, wasn't clutch. So according to what you told me going to a Super Bowl isn't an automatic qualifier for being clutch. Unless your have changed you mind
Yeah but did he finish?? If he didn't fail on two different two point conversion in the 4th quarter we would have won the game. Those are clutch plays right??
Are you talking about the guy who got us to a Super Bowl his first year as a starter with the Panthers? The guy who lead the team called the Cardiac Cats to a double over time win in St. Louis en route to a Superbowl? The guy who set the record for the longest play from scrimmage playing against Tom Brady, a 85 yard touchdown pass in a Super Bowl...and it wasn't to Steve Smith, but to Muhammad? The guy who set the record for wiping off the largest 4th quarter deficit in a Super Bowl?
Those are the type of records that actually mean something. Because they are being set in a damn Super Bowl. The guy who is either tied or has more comeback winning games than some of the greats like Tom Brady and Bret Farve? The guy who made the playoffs 3 times with the Panthers? The guy who played in two NFC Championship games with the Panthers? The guy with a winning playoff record?
Is that who you keep comparing Mr. 68.0 to? Why? You wanna make Newton look bad or what?
I don't know what 68.0 you are talking about. If you are talking about QB rating Cam is at @84. 3 points higher than Jake's career 81 rating. If you are adjusting for "garbage" time you should do the same for Jake and he has a lot of "garbage" TDs.
Why are you even mentioning Cam Newton and Jake Delhomme in the same sentence right now? When Cam Newton has a winning season, let alone do half the meaningful poo Delhomme did, then you can compare them. When he wins more comeback games than losing, then you can say he is actually clutch. Right now he started off by not being clutch and losing, and by being a bad game manager who doesn't have the basics down. Delhomme knew the basics and had them down pat for the most part. He didn't play outside his limits, and the coach didn't make him. Unlike what's going on here. Both the OC and Newton are playing outside their limits.
End of story. There's no comparison.
PS: And why do I post? This is a public Panthers forum isn't it?
So after reading all that I can only assume that your answer to my basic question is that a QB can go through periods where they may not close every game but still be a clutch player. That is interesting because that was my point. I small sample of games where the ball doesn't bounce your way doesn't mean you aren't clutch. A couple more yards on two drives and and a Mare FG and Cam may already have 3 come from behind wins. It just hasn't happened to work out yet. It will.
And for the record there was no bigger fan of Jake than me and I teared up watching the press conference when he was cut so I am by no means a Jake hater.
Edited by teeray, 19 November 2011 - 11:13 PM.