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It's a rebuilding and a learning season for all. Calm the fuck down

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i consider this year to be the starting point.

this is the only year they get a pass, though.

they should have winning seasons from next year on. seeing the way the offense plays with newton who is a rookie who didn't have a full offseason and the whole team working in a new offense...once those things are taken away they should be spectacular. the only thing that can make this offense better is time.

the defense is another matter, but considering how they improved the offense after one year, they should be able to get the defense to a point that they at the very least aren't costing us wins like they have. you get beason and edwards back in there and give them a couple additions and a full offseason and they should be solid enough.

all we need is for the offense to be able to finish a game and the defense not to give it up. they should have everything they need heading into next year to make a winning season possible.

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Some of you guys have a lot more patience and faith than I do.

One question for all you "we're heading in the right direction, stick with the plan" guys. At what point does the rebuilding/injuries/refs/schedule/whatever stuff run out?

Let's say we add one impact player in this upcoming draft and no real noteable FAs and then proceed to win 4-7 games in 2012. That'd be 4 losing seasons in a row. Everyone still want to stick with our current management and shift blame around to other areas? Or would you guys finally be ready to demand better?

You assume you have any power here at all. Exactly how will you demand better. You aren't even a PSL owner, why would anyone listen to you or a thousand people like you. Some of us are not happy about things but realize when we would be acting like Don Quixote and do something more productive than bitching. Don't mean to be negative here about your intentions but you have no power here. Go ahead and buy a couple of suites for the season and then bitch. Maybe someone would listen to you, then.

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If the fanbase as a whole demands changes then changes will be made. JR has shown in the past he listens to fanbase but right now I don't expect anything major to happen as there's so many people still in the "eh we're rebuilding, let's wait and see" mode.

I'm legitimately asking if we have another weak offseason and losing year if that attitude will change or if the excuses and "just wait till next year" would remain.

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You're right, it's a whole number of factors. Would zero injuries help? Sure. Easy schedule? Yup. 6 months worth of offseason to implement your new scheme? Of course. Every bounce of the ball and questionable call going your way? Absolutely.

But the overwhelming most important factor is having a top end front office that stacks your team with talent year in and year out. A roster overflowing with talent puts you in the hunt every year. This is the #1 factor in having continued success by a huge margin. This is something we obviously don't have yet so many people bring up all these other factors but can't admit to this.

Every team has talent. Do any teams have overwhelming talent? WHo would that be?? New England? Their defense sucks. The Jets?? Their offense sucks. What about Indy?? Yeah we saw what happens with Manning out.

It is largely a myth that one team has great talent and another doesn't. Usually they have a great system and a franchise quarterback which equals wins.

Every year a coach comes in and takes a mediocre team and turns them into a winner. The Tuna was famous for doing that. It was the system not the talent. We have enough talent to win but we don't have enough talent to employ McDermott's system on defense, they are different. Some coaches adapt their system to the players, we are going to find the right players to run our system. Dean Smith did that in basketball with good results. It means we won't be good this year but we could be good in a year or two. Is it the right way to go? Time will tell. That is part of the system much like Pittsburgh for example. Find the system and plug in players instead of changing the system to fit the current players.

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So when a guy that's won multiple super bowls and pulled off the most lopsided trade in NFL history says the most important piece to a winning franchise is the guys who evaluate and bring in talent, well he's wrong and internet poster panthers55 is right. ok then

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If the fanbase as a whole demands changes then changes will be made. JR has shown in the past he listens to fanbase but right now I don't expect anything major to happen as there's so many people still in the "eh we're rebuilding, let's wait and see" mode.

I'm legitimately asking if we have another weak offseason and losing year if that attitude will change or if the excuses and "just wait till next year" would remain.

If by fanbase you mean PSL owners then he listens to a point. But that didn't stop him in 2010 and won't stop him down the road. People are in the we're rebuilding mode because we are. If we win 4 games this year and 8 next year that will be another non winning season in 2012 but we will have doubled our win total in both Rivera's years coaching from the year before. That would be good progress. Should we be happy or bitching at that point??

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So when a guy that's won multiple super bowls and pulled off the most lopsided trade in NFL history says the most important piece to a winning franchise is the guys who evaluate and bring in talent, well he's wrong and internet poster panthers55 is right. ok then

Pretty ridiculous comparison really. So the guy in New England wins multiple Super bowls with a myriad of different personnel and everyone says it is the system and not the personnel. Instead lets listen to RnR who would have us acting like Dallas who has great talent but can't seem to win because their system sucks. I guess the the world class whiner RnR should be promoted to coach and talent advisor.

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lol yeah new england doesn't have any talent lol thanks for the contribution panthers55

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i consider this year to be the starting point.

this is the only year they get a pass, though.

they should have winning seasons from next year on. seeing the way the offense plays with newton who is a rookie who didn't have a full offseason and the whole team working in a new offense...once those things are taken away they should be spectacular. the only thing that can make this offense better is time.

the defense is another matter, but considering how they improved the offense after one year, they should be able to get the defense to a point that they at the very least aren't costing us wins like they have. you get beason and edwards back in there and give them a couple additions and a full offseason and they should be solid enough.

all we need is for the offense to be able to finish a game and the defense not to give it up. they should have everything they need heading into next year to make a winning season possible.

my sentiments exactly

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lol yeah new england doesn't have any talent lol thanks for the contribution panthers55

On defense there are questions about the system and the talent. Take your pick which one you believe or some of both. But if Brady wasn't clicking the offense at a very high level they wouldn't be winning based on the defense.

Glad to be of help and explain it to you.

http://www.boston.com/sports/columnists/gasper/2011/11/coaching_leavin.html

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7172753/a-requiem-patriots-defense

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/7173624/bruschi-tap-defensive-inconsistency-patriots-big-problem

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my sentiments exactly

Plus, we should have an easier season too.

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Plus, we should have an easier season too.

a bit easier.

according to the latest schedule rotation they started last year it's looking like we 've got the NFCE and AFCW next year so we are going to be playing these guys (in addition to NFCSx2 anyway)

home: cowboys, giants, raiders, chargers, NFCW team (last place in 2011?)

away: eagles, redskins, broncos, chiefs, NFCN team (last place in 2011?)

(source: http://www.johnnyroadtrip.com/schedules/nfl_future_nfcs.htm)

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