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It's a rebuilding and a learning season for all. Calm the fuck down


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#61 R0CKnR0LLA

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 02:50 PM

Fox was removed from the personnel decisions the last couple of years he was here and if you notice this exactly coincides with when our overall draft record went from middle of the road to downright horrible. The organization didn't improve in adding talent once Fox was taken out of the picture. It got worse, MUCH worse.

I'm not saying Fox didn't have his own mistakes or that the way he goes about building a team is the best way. But trying to blame everything on him is just another excuse to shift blame away from our current situation.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:03 PM

Haters have always been here and band wagoners hop on once we start winning, not bitch when we start losing. Unless of course you are talking of Newton Band wagoners.

What you are see are people who don't believe it takes 3 years to build a winning team. Notice I said winning team, not a playoff team. There is no excuse for 2 wins, not even a learning team. It only makes it more frustrating that throughout history teams have proven over and over again that rebuilding doesn't have to take years and years if it is done properly.

Fans are getting fed up with being told the same bullpoo and no apology letter from JR will help that we want to win.But the bottom line is even when you consider the circumstances, accept we are rebuilding, we suck so much more than we should.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:10 PM

I think JR sent out his obligatory PSL holder apology letter during the offseason. But you're post is still spot on.

Or was that Jordan?

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:35 PM

Yeah. But the offense is taking care of its end, better than the defense anyway.

I like what I am seeing from Cam, Chud, Steve, Olsen. Offense is moving the ball, scoring points, and obviously the play of Cam is enough for this season to be a wash.

But, the defensive play is bad. Very bad. People are going to complain about it, because it is a glaring weakness with a HC that is supposed to be able to field a competitive D.

Injures aside, performances like what we saw against Detroit are unacceptable. Stafford had a field day, some runner no one has ever heard of put up 200 total yards. It is really a joke if you think about it.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:43 PM

Waht ????

24-7 and it's Cam's fault ???


Maybe just some. He handed the ball over 4 times. That is not only giving uo the oportunity, but giving it away. Cam delhome.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:48 PM

This organization knows defense. Most years its been the strength of our football team. We will get better defensively. Bring back that hard hitting ball hawking defense of years past. Lets get FASTER on defense and special teams.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 03:54 PM

Fox knew defense, look at what he's doing in Denver. The best players we have left on D are all guys Fox had a hand in drafting. We haven't added any premier impact players on D since we removed Fox from personnel decisions. In fact over the last 3 offseasons we've only added one impact player (Cam). 3 years, one impact player. There are teams that have added significantly more talent during the course of one offseason than we've done over the last 3.

"Rebuilding" at that pace and you're NEVER going to be a legitimate contender.

Edited by R0CKnR0LLA, 21 November 2011 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:10 PM

fox was taken out of personnel decisions in '10. that's it. every year before that he was given the team he wanted.

when richardson saw after that playoff loss to the cards that we weren't progressing, he gave fox that ultimatum that if he didn't get a winning record 2 years in a row then they were going to tear it down and start over. fox had one season ('09) after that loss to get the job done his way. he couldn't. he tried doing it the same way. it failed.

last year's draft...meh. hurney just tried getting guys he thought would help the new coaching staff out. he took a gamble on a QB that didn't pan out. he took another gamble on a guy he thought would be an impact player. that was probably more of a JR thing than anything. remember we also got lafell, gettis, and hardy in that draft so i wouldn't call it a miserable failure. all three of those guys turned out to be pretty good picks.

this year they started filling out the roster with the guys rivera wanted. it was just a starting point, but they got the most important part of the puzzle in that draft an managed to bring in a couple guys that would help him succeed/grow as a passer. 3 of their first 4 picks were defensive guys. the first two were DTs who, like most positions, take a couple years to get going. the third was considered by many a steal who only fell because of an injury and some relatively minor character concerns. if we had that 2nd rounder back, we probably would have gone defense as well. oh well.

it's just the beginning of the actual rebuilding, though.

it wouldn't have looked nearly as bad were it not for the injuries that happened and if they had gotten a full offseason to prepare.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:24 PM

Couldn't be that long until someone threw out "injuries" and "no full offseason" I guess. excuses excuses excuses

I really don't see why it's so hard for people just to admit that we're poorly managed resulting in a weak roster and we're losing because of it.

Or why we put these artificial pointless labels on seasons just as some kind of an excuse to why it's perfectly OK that we're terrible.

Last year we sucked but it's OK because it was a "tear down the roster" season.

This year we suck but it's OK because it's a "rebuilding" season.

Next year if we suck, it's OK because.. umm let me think.. oh I got it.. it's a "transition" season.

2013 still suck ass? well umm it's a "learning" season. But hey, we're still a good well run franchise everybody. Calm down!

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:31 PM

injuries are not an excuse. it happened to key guys on the team.

there was no offseason. that was important for any team, esp. a team with a new coaching staff, new systems on offense and defense, and a rookie QB.

those aren't excuses. they are realities and they had a huge effect on how things would turn out.

i guess it's just easier to start moping around and complaining about how the team just always sucks rather than recognizing that poo happened and it messed things up.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:35 PM

Well I guess we'll just have to wait until we can be completely free of injury, even if we're counting on guys like Thomas Davis and Otah to lock down starting positions.

And we have to wait until the NFL gives us more offseason time than any other team.

That's all we need right? 3 years of rebuilding, no injuries and more offseason time than other teams are allowed. Anything else?

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 04:58 PM

we don't need more offseason than any other team so quit being so silly and melodramatic (unless that's just your thing).

we needed more than what we had. that's all. we needed more time than most teams because most teams weren't in this situation having a ....again.... new coaching staff...new schemes on offense and defense....and a rookie QB.

what team had all of those things going on? just that put us behind other teams. it sucks, but thats just the way it is.

add to that losing your most important part of your defense in jon beason...thats kind of like losing your QB on offense.

i have said elsewhere that they get a pass this year that they won't be getting next year. considering the circumstances, them struggling this year was to be expected and...again...the lack of offseason and injuries to key guys, but esp. beason, really made things worse and you are just blind and/or stupid if you can't see that those two things had an effect and that it probably effected us worse than it would most teams.

we have seen enough from esp. this offense to know that it can and will be a powerhouse in the league. cam getting a year under his belt and a full offseason along with an upgrade on the right side should be enough to make the offense one of the top 5 in the league.

the defense will have beason back. they will have the DT they planned on starting but who got sent to IR back as well. we should have an upgrade at OLB and at other positions on defense as well. it's silly and narrowminded to think that we won't be doing anything in the offseason to help the defense. add to that this defense will benefit, just as the offense will, by having a full season under their belts in the new system along with a full offseason.

that doesn't mean we are a lock for the playoffs, but from next year going forward there is no reason that this team shouldn't have winning records every year and be legit considerations when talking playoff.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:10 PM

we don't need more offseason than any other team


we needed more than what we had.


LOL which would have been more than what any other team had

and i see you're still beating that old injury excuse to death. here's a thought, if we had quality depth and didn't rely on injury prone guys so heavily maybe it wouldn't be a problem.

you say theres no reason we shouldn't be a winning team for years to come but what happens if we lose a couple of starters to injury next year? won't that be an excuse for you then since it's one for you now. and btw, we probably will lose a few, most teams do. but i guess it's nice to always have a built in excuse. "we have a great team stacked with talent, it's just the injuries!!!!"

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:50 PM

ugh. spin that crap however you want and enjoy your ulcer.

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Posted 21 November 2011 - 05:54 PM

I'm not spinning anything. I'm giving an objective evaluation of the team and management. You feel the need to make excuses for the organization and make it seem better than it really is. You make excuses, I hold people accountable. That is all.


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