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#46 cookinbrak

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:36 PM

They were tipped by defenders in coverage, not like they bounced off receivers. Those are completely on Cam.


You do realize that there's another team playing, right? They get paid to work on Sundays, too....

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:37 PM

But the guy who is throwing the interceptions is the ONLY reason were in any of these games in the first place and he is a ROOKIE. What part of that you haters cant comprehend?!


Yeah keep thinking that. I saw our D get 3 turnovers to start off the game. Our O blew one in the red zone, then only got 3 points off the second one. Then our special teams scored for 7 points. Our D and special teams got our O 17 of their points.

Then our O disappeared for the 4th quarter just like our D . All we could do is throw a pick. Followed by 2 more in the 4th quarter.


And here's the worse part of our passing game:
Newton 22/38 280 7.4 1 4 50.2

Our best receiver:
Johnathan Stewart: Stewart 6 87 14.5 0 26


Kill Smith: Kill Cam. Tennessee did it. The Lions did it. It will continue to be copied forcing Cam to make throws to other receivers.

Edited by TrueDat, 20 November 2011 - 04:43 PM.


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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:38 PM

yes when half your starting defense is on the bench...guess what? It might hurt a little.


Looking at what we had at the start of the year we only have 2 maybe 3 players that aren't in that were starters.

Edited by Paintballr, 20 November 2011 - 04:46 PM.


#49 mav1234

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:39 PM

No, pressure Cam, kill Cam, I thought that was pretty obvious today.

It wasn't until late that Cam stopped trying to connect only deep. this is something he needs to learn to do more often. There's nothing wrong with shorter throws.

also I like that 7.4 is some terrible thing to highlight, when 7.4 would put him as the 11th highest YPA and within .1 of #10 as far as quarterbacks go.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:40 PM

How old are you TrueDat? Above or below 16?

#51 Jangler

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:41 PM

You do realize that there's another team playing, right? They get paid to work on Sundays, too....


Exactly, The Lions are staying alive. We have a depleted D a rookie QB. Cam did enough to keep us in the game and the D did fine at first but got worn down.

Some people need to calm down. I'm drunk as *** but at least I'm not a sober pissed off asshole.

#52 CarolinaSock

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:45 PM

You do realize that there's another team playing, right? They get paid to work on Sundays, too....


So anytime a good play is made against us I'm not allowed to put blame on someone because the other team is also playing? Got it. So it's not Cam's fault for throwing a ball that got tipped. It's not Gamble's fault for bouncing off Smith like a pinball, Smith is also playing. I think I get it now, thanks for pointing that out for me.

#53 Fox007

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:57 PM

Cam missed the throws that moves the offense, but if you want to include Chud and the OLine in there you can say the offense failed us not the defense.

The offense didn't do poo in the second half, didn't sustain drives, didn't score, and left the defense out the dry.(like they need help sucking)

If the offense scores and keeps the ball more that is less opportunities for the Lions to do what they did, that is a fact.

Also a fact, if you are watching the defense and expecting a stop,you are insane.
If the defense makes 1 play, just 1 play it is icing on the cake.

#54 klumme

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 04:59 PM

That is not the point. The point is why focus on Cam when other areas was even more to blame?

#55 mav1234

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:00 PM

so what you're saying is that we should expect our rookie quarterback to need to score more than 40 points because our defense is so bad that we can't expect them to be able to contain an offense to under that?

seems to me defense deserves the majority of the blame. yes, offense contributed to this loss, but it's pretty clear to me that when you give up 35 2nd half points, the defense is doing something terribly wrong.

#56 Fox007

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:07 PM

so what you're saying is that we should expect our rookie quarterback to need to score more than 40 points because our defense is so bad that we can't expect them to be able to contain an offense to under that?

seems to me defense deserves the majority of the blame. yes, offense contributed to this loss, but it's pretty clear to me that when you give up 35 2nd half points, the defense is doing something terribly wrong.


How many offensive players are on IR?

#57 mav1234

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:10 PM

How many offensive players are on IR?


Only two starters, but so what? I don't think it's reasonable to say that our offense needs to score on virtually every possession because our defense is so bad we are bound to get into a shoot out...

I don't think Cam is without blame here but really, I don't know how you can watch a Panthers game and not think the defense is a problem.

The only question is if anything can be done about it this season. So far, at least, it seems nothing can be.

I do think our offense needs to move towards an attempt at balance, getting our running backs going so we can keep our D off the field with long drives. Just my opinion though... clearly Chud and Rivera disagree.

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:14 PM

The defense is a known problem.

The offense is a known strength, can't play to your weakness...

Which means YOU CAN'T RELY ON THIS DEFENSE. I've said it 100 times.
So yes the offense does have to be nearly perfect, but there are other things that can be done which Chud and Rivera are not doing.

The things the coaches aren't doing are not Cams problem, his overthrows are.

#59 mav1234

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:15 PM

His overthrows are a problem but his overthrows aren't why we lost by 14, or why the opponents put up 49. They are part of it perhaps but seriously, there is only so much you can ask a rookie to do, and our coaches seem more interested in having him throw 40+ times a game than actually putting this team in position to win games...

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Posted 20 November 2011 - 05:20 PM

Never said we lost b/c of Cam, just he was inaccurate and had a bad game, that's my opinion.

The offense as a whole is why we lost because they scored 8 points and couldn't hold onto the ball in the second half.


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