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#31 pantherfan49

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 06:27 AM

I would just like to know when these lunatic Republicans are actually going to cut government. For all the talk of the Republican party taking a hard turn right, they sure aren't making any progress on spending.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 10:19 AM

A little before Reagan.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 10:21 AM

I would just like to know when these lunatic Republicans are actually going to cut government. For all the talk of the Republican party taking a hard turn right, they sure aren't making any progress on spending.


lol. that's because that's not what "a hard turn right" actually means.

#34 googoodan

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 11:01 AM

I've said in the past that, had I been born 40 years ago I'd likely be a republican. The party today has taken such a sharp turn to the right, though, it's insane.


lolwut?

That's why quasi-progressives such as McCain, Bush x 2, Dole and now apparently, Romney have dominated the GOP the last few decades.
Reagan was considered too conservative to be "electable" so he was stuck with George H.W. Bush as a VP. It wasn't Reagan's choice.
Before Reagan, there were more so-called "moderates" Nixon, Ford, etc.

The problem isn't that candidates are too far right... its that the media and beltway politicians in general are so far left that a moderate appears to be "far right." Our current idea of a moderate conservative is further left than Blue Dogs.

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 11:23 AM

lolwut?

That's why quasi-progressives such as mccain, bush x 2, dole and now apparently, romney have dominated the gop the last few decades.
Reagan was considered too conservative to be "electable" so he was stuck with george h.w. Bush as a vp. It wasn't reagan's choice.
Before reagan, there were more so-called "moderates" nixon, ford, etc.

The problem isn't that candidates are too far right... Its that the media and beltway politicians in general are so far left that a moderate appears to be "far right." our current idea of a moderate conservative is further left than blue dogs.


qft

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Posted 23 November 2011 - 11:27 PM

What I mean is to compare Reagan/Bush II/the current GOP field to the last pre-Nixon republican President in Eisenhower. Hell, even in 2000 Bush talked tough about being a conservative, but you didn't have these right wing nuts like Herman Cain and Michelle Bachmann. At the very least it should be clear that our standards for what makes a credible Presidential candidate have been lowered significantly over the decades.

I'm all for not having just status-quo politicians in the mix, but there is a certain level of intelligence and knowledge on the issues that I expect out of someone who is running for President. Watching the GOP debates right now is like watching an SNL sketch from 30 years ago. It'd be comical if they weren't serious.

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Posted 24 November 2011 - 01:24 AM

What I mean is to compare Reagan/Bush II/the current GOP field to the last pre-Nixon republican President in Eisenhower. Hell, even in 2000 Bush talked tough about being a conservative, but you didn't have these right wing nuts like Herman Cain and Michelle Bachmann. At the very least it should be clear that our standards for what makes a credible Presidential candidate have been lowered significantly over the decades.

I'm all for not having just status-quo politicians in the mix, but there is a certain level of intelligence and knowledge on the issues that I expect out of someone who is running for President. Watching the GOP debates right now is like watching an SNL sketch from 30 years ago. It'd be comical if they weren't serious.


Ike was also a moderate. He even considered running as a Dem.

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 03:20 PM

ah yes the problem is that republican party is just too damned liberal :( :( :(

on a related note, can we change the title of this thread to "when did tinderbox posters lose touch with reality?"

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 05:20 PM

A Cantrell sighting.

Problem with the Republican party is that they have taken the big government approach to everything.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 05:48 AM

A Cantrell sighting.

Problem with the Republican party is that they have taken the big government approach to everything.


no, the problem with the republican party is that they're practicing starve the beast

cut taxes, increase deficit spending, turn to the american public and yell "see?!?! we can't afford social programs!"

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:56 AM

ah yes the problem is that republican party is just too damned liberal :( :( :(

on a related note, can we change the title of this thread to "when did tinderbox posters lose touch with reality?"


so gw bush's spending was pretty conservative, eh?
romneycare FTW!
anti-environment republican nixon created the EPA, and believed in keynesian economics
prescott bush: champion of talking congress into raising taxes
olympia snowe: end da bushie tax cutz! control da gunnz! pass tarp and stimulus!

yeah... when did tinderbox posters lose touch with reality?

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 02:28 PM

um gwb was literally practicing starve the beast and now we're experiencing the endgame

i thought romneycare was ok because "DURR HURR STATES RIGHTS HURR." also, obama's "universal" healthcare was literally the plan republicans were proposing decades ago. it isn't single payer and there is no public option. obongokenyacare is far closer to "conservative" than "liberal" and yet the state of discourse in america has reached the point where the private mandate is now considered socialism

oh and the difference between nixon and the modern day GOP is that nixon wasn't answering to fugtarded teabaggers. i mean it's cute how you think you can try to slip that "prescott bush and nixon were republicans therefore...." bullpoo by me when you know good and well the republican party has taken a hard turn right, beginning with reagan. you're either being deliberately disingenuous, or you're absolutely clueless

oh and it's pretty funny how you think "end the bush tax cuts" is automatically a "liberal" position when ending the tax cuts would still place the tax rate at its lowest point in decades but hey, this is your brain on fox news

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 02:29 PM

oh and to answer your question, tinderbox posters lost touch with reality the moment a black man was elected president

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:37 PM

um gwb was literally practicing starve the beast and now we're experiencing the endgame

i thought romneycare was ok because "DURR HURR STATES RIGHTS HURR." also, obama's "universal" healthcare was literally the plan republicans were proposing decades ago.


Are you talking about SCHIP? Or the voucher program that wasn't even debated in Congress?
Neither are anything like Obamacare. One expands who can get medicare. The other creates a lot of HMOs.
Neither has a mandate that individuals buy the crap.

it isn't single payer and there is no public option. obongokenyacare is far closer to "conservative" than "liberal" and yet the state of discourse in america has reached the point where the private mandate is now considered socialism


according to whom? the private mandate isn't what's considered socialist.

oh and the difference between nixon and the modern day GOP is that nixon wasn't answering to fugtarded teabaggers. i mean it's cute how you think you can try to slip that "prescott bush and nixon were republicans therefore...." bullpoo by me when you know good and well the republican party has taken a hard turn right, beginning with reagan. you're either being deliberately disingenuous, or you're absolutely clueless


so reagan wasn't too conservative to be elected? wait that's right... you were born in the clinton years.

oh and it's pretty funny how you think "end the bush tax cuts" is automatically a "liberal" position when ending the tax cuts would still place the tax rate at its lowest point in decades but hey, this is your brain on fox news


yeah, i forgot... higher taxes = conservative talking point.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 08:43 AM

LOL at liberals that can't see that GWB expanded the federal government and reduced the number of middle and low income earners that aren't on the tax roles. Obanger should ask GWB to run as his VP nominee in 2012.


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