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Chavez Calls on Summit to Indict George W. Bush for War Crimes


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#41 cookinwithgas

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 09:25 AM

I've heard that we've prevented attacks but that's it. No details, no video of them telling us what it is, no supporting evidence. All I have to go on are the torturers telling me how necessary it is for them to keep their jobs.

It's more of the total package that makes it wrong - you can take someone from a country halfway around the world, make them a non person, and send them whereever you like for people to do whatever they want to them - this does not seem like something that should be a standard policy of the country I live in, no matter what "positives" we get from it. It makes us them, so what's the difference between us then?

Bama, thanks for the explanation - as an example, would the Americans who secretly helped certain Latin American operations in the 1980s be classified as unlawful combatants if they did not wear US uniforms?

Did we provide supplies and training to "unlawful combatants" in Afganistan in the 80's? Is it OK to be unlawful combantants in the eyes of our government if we feel it justified? Would we go to bat for the rights of "unlawful combatants" if they were doing our work for us?

#42 Matt Foley

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 09:59 AM

Did we provide supplies and training to "unlawful combatants" in Afganistan in the 80's? Is it OK to be unlawful combantants in the eyes of our government if we feel it justified? Would we go to bat for the rights of "unlawful combatants" if they were doing our work for us?


If those people get captured, there's a good chance they're going to get tortured, and I'm sure they know that going in.

I'm sure torture has gone un under every American president in which there was conflict. Bush was blatant about it in creating Gitmo. If you capture someone and you think he might know when and where the next attack on your side is coming, and you DON'T do everything you can to get it out of him, then you are too soft for the business you are in.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:03 AM

Then you cannot condemn the kidnappings, torturing, and beheadings of Americans

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:09 AM

Then you cannot condemn the kidnappings, torturing, and beheadings of Americans


If the victims are citizens and not soldiers, why can't I? That's the difference between us and them. We train soldiers to kill selectively. They train kids to kill indiscriminately.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 10:16 AM

A lot of lines get erased or blurred in war. Is it okay to kill someone you've never met before and has done you no harm? It is in war time.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 04:03 PM

Russia WAS the invading country.


sorry meat, been away... see below

http://en.wikipedia....uth_Ossetia_war

"The 1991–1992 South Ossetia War between Georgians and Ossetians left most of South Ossetia under control of an internationally-unrecognised regional government backed by Russia. Some Georgian inhabited parts remained under the control of Georgia. This mirrored the situation in Abkhazia. Already increasing tensions escalated during the summer months of 2008.

During the night from 7–8 August 2008, Georgia launched a large-scale military attack in South Ossetia. The following day Russia deployed combat troops in South Ossetia "


point: cnn is full of poo. your country wants you to be afraid of russia (and china, watching cnn this week, they only refer to china as communist china" which is funny cause your guys are kinda forced to be nice to them seeing that they own you)

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:28 PM

Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, every day when we wake up we are at war. We are at war with those who want to destroy our lives and way of life based solely upon where we are born or who we call God or any number of various reasons. We have a right and a duty to gather information where and when it is possible to protect the lives of our country and ourselves. Say we are violating human rights if you want to. Innocent people are getting hurt, ours, theirs. There is no way to deny that. Sometimes innocents get hurt. And I am sure that it is with the greatest regret that it is done. But those doing it understand that is necessary and why it is so.

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Posted 10 April 2009 - 06:46 PM

Whether or not anyone wants to admit it, every day when we wake up we are at war. We are at war with those who want to destroy our lives and way of life based solely upon where we are born or who we call God or any number of various reasons. We have a right and a duty to gather information where and when it is possible to protect the lives of our country and ourselves. Say we are violating human rights if you want to. Innocent people are getting hurt, ours, theirs. There is no way to deny that. Sometimes innocents get hurt. And I am sure that it is with the greatest regret that it is done. But those doing it understand that is necessary and why it is so.


you sure trust the government an awful lot.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 09:21 AM

Bush was blatant about it in creating Gitmo.


I think You are giving W a lot of undeserved credit for creating gitmo. The detention camp at gitmo has been operated since 1987.

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Posted 12 April 2009 - 10:34 AM

yeah i remember jack nicholson talking about guantanamo in a few good men.

bush just decided to use it in a way that the constitution forbids.