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#31 Claws

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:39 AM

ah yes, the zero rights argument.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:45 AM

Non-issue to American Citizens unless you are a plotting a terrorist campaign that will cause some type of destruction to the United States. I listened to that entire speech and it sounds to me as if they are crafting a bill that modifies the POW standards. Let's get something straight, these people are not American Citizens and therefore are not entitled to recieve any rights....period. They are a threat to everyone's safety. What do you do with them, let them go....good luck with that


A. Just because someone isn't an American citizen, they deserve no rights of any kind? Human, civil, etc.?

B. One problem you kinda looked over, this bill does actually give the power to detain US citizens.

"...authorize the U.S. military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians, including American citizens, anywhere in the world".

"The military would have the authority to imprison persons far from any battlefield, including American citizens and including people picked up in the US."

I'm too lazy to link the articles, but it's the 1st 2 Google hits...yeah, it was that easy to disprove your statements.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:45 AM

Non-issue to American Citizens unless you are a plotting a terrorist campaign that will cause some type of destruction to the United States. I listened to that entire speech and it sounds to me as if they are crafting a bill that modifies the POW standards. Let's get something straight, these people are not American Citizens and therefore are not entitled to recieve any rights....period. They are a threat to everyone's safety. What do you do with them, let them go....good luck with that


Yes yes, people accused of crimes should have no rights, fug having to prove anything. If the military accuses someone, clearly they are guilty, just let them ship off US citizens to an internment camp indefinitely.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:47 AM

Seems appropriate when the positioning is that for some reason rights should be afforded to POW's... This bill is re-positioning the tenets of the Geneva Convention of 1949 to meet current standards...period....

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:50 AM

A. Just because someone isn't an American citizen, they deserve no rights of any kind? Human, civil, etc.?

B. One problem you kinda looked over, this bill does actually give the power to detain US citizens.

"...authorize the U.S. military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians, including American citizens, anywhere in the world".

"The military would have the authority to imprison persons far from any battlefield, including American citizens and including people picked up in the US."

I'm too lazy to link the articles, but it's the 1st 2 Google hits...yeah, it was that easy to disprove your statements.


And this is different from the Geneva Convention how......

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:52 AM

i'm pissed off because harbor freight doesn't sell nailgun combos

everyone knows a 3-1 nailer is a POS

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:53 AM

are you fuging serious?

specifically the fuging part about detaining american civilians with no charges being filed. can you defend that?

cmon man, even the fuging libs have abandoned this thread because they god damn know how bad this is.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:54 AM

There is a reason that the military has been forbidden governmental usage on US soil without declaration of Martial Law. This effectively puts the entire US into a perpetual state of Martial Law.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:56 AM

This, in effect, renders Posse Comitatus null and void. Hurray rights, or the lack thereof, amirite?

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 10:59 AM

And this is different from the Geneva Convention how......


Because this is apples and oranges? The Geneva Convention dealth with treatment of POW's, women, children, etc. on the international level. This is about the ability to without reason, imprision American citizens if someone chooses, without a trial or providing any reason. How is that similar? At all?