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I understand where you're coming from and it's difficult to watch the D sometimes. But the injured LB's and (potential) emergence of Jordan Senn along with the rookie DT's having a chance to get a full offseason of pro workouts and OTA's, we really don't know exactly what we have (and don't have) yet. IMO, the only place on defense that we know for a fact needs an upgrade is FS (Again, this is saying that we don't know what Fua or McClain can be with a full offseason).

My reasoning for Riley Reiff is his potential replacing RT (or LT if Gross flips). It has been stated a few times that Reiff is the best OT prospect in college football, ahead of Kalil. However, Kalil's freak athleticism for the position, versatility (have you seen how many blocked kicks he has?), and last name are going to push him to a top 5 pick. With all this being said, OT is a position of need because of Byron Bell. Bell has shown progress and has become a decent OT but is a penalty machine. Also, Reiff has the potential to be an elite LT whereas Bell's potential is only that of a decent starter or respectable backup.

In the same breath, you need to give Otah the chance to fully heal from his knee surgery. If Otah is the same player we had two years ago, do you agree that OT becomes way less of a need? If Otah fails again next year, OT will be our top pick in the 13' Draft. I think Hurney and Rivera have every intention of allowing Otah prove that he can come back at a high level.. and if he doesn't I think they are fine with Byron Bell for one more year considering his progression.

If you think about it, Otah has only had 1 injury that has kept him out for any long duration of time.. it's this darn knee injury. Sure, he has had some back pain, and shoulder pain.. but nothing he couldn't have played through. It's one singular injury, and most people want to label him injury prone for a single injury. I want to give the guy one more chance, because we all know how dominant he is when healthy.

Based on Rivera's comments in prior press conferences, I tend to believe that we will be drafting defense, early and often.

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but than that goes by drafting for need and not bpa. if Blackmon falls, it will be hard not to take him considering we dont have #1 WR to replace smitty. yes we lose games on d but you cant be content with one side of the ball and solely focus on the other.

I am not an advocate of drafting straight BPA. My philosophy would be to draft BPA based on a need. So let's say our top 3 needs are, CB/LB/DT (just for example), I would be all for drafting the best availalbe player from those 3 positions. If the best player on the board is Richardson the RB from Bama'.. there is just no way you can justify that. There has to be some limitations to the BPA philosophy.

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In the same breath, you need to give Otah the chance to fully heal from his knee surgery. If Otah is the same player we had two years ago, do you agree that OT becomes way less of a need? If Otah fails again next year, OT will be our top pick in the 13' Draft. I think Hurney and Rivera have every intention of allowing Otah prove that he can come back at a high level.. and if he doesn't I think they are fine with Byron Bell for one more year considering his progression.

If you think about it, Otah has only had 1 injury that has kept him out for any long duration of time.. it's this darn knee injury. Sure, he has had some back pain, and shoulder pain.. but nothing he couldn't have played through. It's one singular injury, and most people want to label him injury prone for a single injury. I want to give the guy one more chance, because we all know how dominant he is when healthy.

Based on Rivera's comments in prior press conferences, I tend to believe that we will be drafting defense, early and often.

Don't get me wrong...I've been a huge fan of Otah since he came to Charlotte. I would love for him to get over this injury bug but his history in Carolina just shows that he's having a problem with that. Not to mention that Gross seems to be on the downward slope of his career. He's still pretty good but how much longer can you expect quality performance?

Also, don't get me wrong in the fact that I would love some help on D. However, the only guy that I really see being an upgrade on the D is Claiborne and he will likely be gone. Maybe someone will emerge in the all star games and Combine. As of right now, I'm just not seeing any major upgrade on D that would be available at our pick.

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Don't get me wrong...I've been a huge fan of Otah since he came to Charlotte. I would love for him to get over this injury bug but his history in Carolina just shows that he's having a problem with that. Not to mention that Gross seems to be on the downward slope of his career. He's still pretty good but how much longer can you expect quality performance?

Also, don't get me wrong in the fact that I would love some help on D. However, the only guy that I really see being an upgrade on the D is Claiborne and he will likely be gone. Maybe someone will emerge in the all star games and Combine. As of right now, I'm just not seeing any major upgrade on D that would be available at our pick.

I think that will depend on if we are transitioning to the 34 or not as well. If we aren't I think Zach Brown/Kirkpatrick/Barron could all be upgrades. If we are switching to 34, then Upshaw can be added to the short list.

On offense, Decastro would be the only significant upgrade (this year) in my opinion. We could bring an rookie OT in this year, but let's be realistic, Jordan Gross has not dropped off completely yet, and I doubt a rookie OT would beat our current Gross. And if Otah comes back healthy, we essentially shelfed our 1st round pick for a whole year. When you are picking in the top 10, you need to pick a guy who can come in and contribute right away, and I don't necessarily think that will be the case with an OT prospect. That's why I think OT will be our top pick next season, not this season.

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As things stand right now, I could realistically see us getting the sixth overall pick. The draft order would go something like this......

1. Vikings (lose out)

2. Colts (win one or perhaps 2 more)

3. Rams (win one more)

4. Browns

5. Jaguars

6. Panthers

As I said before, Kalil could slip if this is the order of things, and in that case, we should draft him hands down. I've read one report posted on the Rams forum that said they might be looking to trade for more picks. So the Vikes would take Luck (if they believe Ponder can pull them through, someone needs to be fired.), the Colts take RGlll or Barkley, and the Rams trade out. In this scenario, Kalil falls to number 4. The Browns have their LT in Joe Thomas, and with Peyton Hillis most likely not staying, they will draft Richardson. The Jags could take him, but they might be searching for another receiver. If Blackmon is still on the board, they will probably take him. Leaving Kalil for the taking.

I'm going to still hold out hope we get him, but if not, I would probably be a fan of trading out or taking Claiborne.

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As things stand right now, I could realistically see us getting the sixth overall pick. The draft order would go something like this......

1. Vikings (lose out)

2. Colts (win one or perhaps 2 more)

3. Rams (win one more)

4. Browns

5. Jaguars

6. Panthers

As I said before, Kalil could slip if this is the order of things, and in that case, we should draft him hands down. I've read one report posted on the Rams forum that said they might be looking to trade for more picks. So the Vikes would take Luck (if they believe Ponder can pull them through, someone needs to be fired.), the Colts take RGlll or Barkley, and the Rams trade out. In this scenario, Kalil falls to number 4. The Browns have their LT in Joe Thomas, and with Peyton Hillis most likely not staying, they will draft Richardson. The Jags could take him, but they might be searching for another receiver. If Blackmon is still on the board, they will probably take him. Leaving Kalil for the taking.

I'm going to still hold out hope we get him, but if not, I would probably be a fan of trading out or taking Claiborne.

If we beat the Bucs this weekend.. I hope you agree that we have no shot at Kalil.

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already have no shot at kalil. people need to get over it.

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I am not an advocate of drafting straight BPA. My philosophy would be to draft BPA based on a need. So let's say our top 3 needs are, CB/LB/DT (just for example), I would be all for drafting the best availalbe player from those 3 positions. If the best player on the board is Richardson the RB from Bama'.. there is just no way you can justify that. There has to be some limitations to the BPA philosophy.

but if you have better value with the top WR than you go there. of course Rich is a top 5 player in this draft, but the value of a RB is not as high as it used to be. even if those are our top needs if there is better value at OT or WR than those will be the pick.

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but if you have better value with the top WR than you go there. of course Rich is a top 5 player in this draft, but the value of a RB is not as high as it used to be. even if those are our top needs if there is better value at OT or WR than those will be the pick.

I agree to an extent. Let's say we have a need at WR, OT, and LB.

Let's also say that Blackmon/Reiff/Brown are on the board.

We have Blackmon rated at 8.1, Reiff at 8.0, and Brown at 8.0.

So Blackmon is the highest rated player on the board. Do you take him?

I'd think not. At that point, you have to take the player that fits the biggest need. Agree? It's not strictly BPA.. I think that would be foolish to go strictly BPA. But, there has to be a big enough gap in how you rate the people on your board. If Blackmon is far and away higher rated than any other player, then you have to take him even if it's not our top need. I am talking about a .3 difference or more. If not, you need to take the player that fills the biggest need. In this case, it would probably LB. (This is just an example, I am not condoning that we take a LB).

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If we beat the Bucs this weekend.. I hope you agree that we have no shot at Kalil.

I would agree with that.

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I think that will depend on if we are transitioning to the 34 or not as well. If we aren't I think Zach Brown/Kirkpatrick/Barron could all be upgrades. If we are switching to 34, then Upshaw can be added to the short list.

On offense, Decastro would be the only significant upgrade (this year) in my opinion. We could bring an rookie OT in this year, but let's be realistic, Jordan Gross has not dropped off completely yet, and I doubt a rookie OT would beat our current Gross. And if Otah comes back healthy, we essentially shelfed our 1st round pick for a whole year. When you are picking in the top 10, you need to pick a guy who can come in and contribute right away, and I don't necessarily think that will be the case with an OT prospect. That's why I think OT will be our top pick next season, not this season.

I honestly don't want to touch Brown, Kirkpatrick, or Barron with a top 15 pick. That's just my opinion. Brown is good, but a bit overrated, IMO. Plus, OLB is not a big need with the (potential) emergence of Senn. Kirkpatrick has never impressed me. I watch a LOT of Bama football and I have never been impressed. He is good at run support but would be a liability in coverage (for instance...watch him vs Alshon from last year. Alshon abused him all game long and beat Dre physically...which is supposed to be his game). Barron just has never impressed me at all. He's solid, but I'm not sure he would be an upgrade over Martin.

As far as the Reiff thing goes...in all honesty, NO rookies should be starting on the OL without a big emergency (like this year with Otah/Bell). The best thing for a rookie would be to learn his first year and pick up some garbage time snaps. IIRC, Otah has one year left on his contract and that could work perfectly. Give Otah one more year to prove himself to be a dominant OT and at the end of the year decide what you want to do. Not to mention that you have Reiff if Gross or Otah goes down. At the end of the year you either get rid of Otah if he doesn't show up or figure what you want to do if he does. Best case scenario you have 3 quality OT's and could possibly (if any are willing/capable) move one inside and have a nasty OL.

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I'd like Claiborne, and getting him is FAR more likely than Kalil.

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