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#1 Matt Foley

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 07:46 PM

There were books that were originally in the Bible but were taken out? For God's sake, how can people live their whole lives based on this stuff? How do you know what's real and what's not?

/watching a special about it now on History Channel

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 07:51 PM

^ that's where faith comes in. But consider this, the bible was written over many centuries and by different authors, yet it all flows together pretty well...How did that happen?

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 07:51 PM

That's the trick isn't it? Christians cling to the (circular) logic that Paul wrote that all scripture is "God breathed" while ignoring the fact that scripture in Paul's time referred to nothing more than the Talmud.

The New Testement was put together by the same organization that tried to silence Galileo and against whom Martin Luther later rebelled.

#4 Matt Foley

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:07 PM

There is a book about Jesus in childhood (later removed) with a story about young Jesus pushing a child off a roof, killing him. The townspeople ask why he did it and he raises the child from the dead and says "I didn't do anything."

These books were all written around the same time. Can you people not see what is wrong here?

If you want to believe that Jesus is the son of God and died for our sins, fine. But to hold up this book as a be all end all (and tell gay people they can't get married because of what's in it) is kind of silly. God doesn't need editors, does he?

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:10 PM

^ not kinda odd that just some random kid can raise another from the dead?

#6 Matt Foley

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:27 PM

^ not kinda odd that just some random kid can raise another from the dead?


but that's the point. This book contains several miracles Jesus performed in his childhood, but because of stories like that one, Christians at some point said "let's forget about this book....it doesn't count". You can't do that. Either accept the whole story as is or don't. Most people don't even know about these books that were removed so it's not an issue.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:32 PM

Even after significant editing, the Bible contridicts itself in the first two chapters (order of creation). Oh yeah, and the whole idea of Eve being tempted by Satan: 0 mention of that in any part of the Bible.

There are many other things such as a disagreement about the order of the miracles and of course that Pi = 3.

It takes quite a bit of doing to make the Good Book infallible.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:43 PM

yet it all flows together pretty well


LOL compared to what?

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 08:58 PM

So who in this thread has actually read the Apocrphya all the way thru as well as the Bible?

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 09:00 PM

LOL compared to what?


Our government.

#11 Matt Foley

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 09:03 PM

I've never read any of it, which is why I never really questioned it (never really accepted it, either, but I figured it at least made SOME sense).

Didn't realize there were entire books/chapters removed.

It's actually a fascinating special. Several branches of Christianity early on that aren't around today.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 09:21 PM

So who in this thread has actually read the Apocrphya all the way thru as well as the Bible?


Yo!

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 09:24 PM

ok, so not sure why anyone gets wrapped up in this...doesn't the end of John 8 kinda answer this?

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 09:47 PM

^ that's where faith comes in. But consider this, the bible was written over many centuries and by different authors, yet it all flows together pretty well...How did that happen?


The Star Wars books flow together really well too. Best part is, I don't have to believe they happened to enjoy them.

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Posted 11 April 2009 - 11:02 PM

There were books that were originally in the Bible but were taken out? For God's sake, how can people live their whole lives based on this stuff? How do you know what's real and what's not?

/watching a special about it now on History Channel



I don't know how much of that is true, but the History channel is not really a reliable source for these types of things. They want ratings, not accuracy.


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