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#31 SuperMan

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:24 PM

Achilles tears are nasty, bro. He'll come back and he'll start. But it'll take a miracle and a lot of luck for him to return to Pro Bowl form.


It was an early year injury, also a Ray Lewis would disagree, and he was 32 when he tore his.

#32 SuperMan

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:25 PM

After Thomas Davis and Dan Morgan, how anyone can expect the Panthers medical staff to put anyone back on the field in the form they were in before they left it, is beyond me.

This is one, I'll believe when I see it, but I wouldn't be mad at the Panthers if they drafted a stud LB who could play middle or outside. Connor is a good back up, but that's all he'll ever be after getting run all over today by Saints backs that aren't as good as they were made to look.


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Posted 01 January 2012 - 05:44 PM

I'm just being honest guys. We're gnna need a elite D to be dominate in our division. We keep talkin about our DTs but I think the whole Defense is a prob. I just dnt kno how much our D will improve wit Beason and TD coming back off of career changing injuries. I also believe we need to start from scratch.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:15 PM

Get Bill Cowher to do defense. Trade for Jared Allen, Suh, and Willis.

OMGZIES MADDEN.

It's not that easy, people. FS, CB, DT and depth elsewhere is where the needs are. Hardy is good enough to play and continue to develop while the front office takes care of more pressing needs.

People rag on Hardy like he was supposed to be a huge big time player. We get a decent starter out of a 6th round pick, that's HUGE. I'm just glad us here on the forums don't run the franchise...it wouldn't be able to compete with a Pee Wee practice squad.


way to keep this in perspective.. :lol:

we have to do something about Martin, he's horrible.

Hogan will be starting next year.

Hardy just finished up his 2nd year, maybe we can draft a guy who will have to travel the same road and then rinse/repeat every other year because armchair GMs would if they were in control..

We could definitely use a FA DT if somehow that turns out to be possible. It may not.

We are missing a HUGE piece, and it was beyond evident today: Jon Beason, the defensive QB.

TD's coverage skills along with Beason are a HUGE missing piece. if you can't understand how that is possible, you need educated before you form ignorant opinions.. especially when you just saw how horrible Senn and Connor are in coverage.. Anderson isn't that great either.

Edited by bleys, 01 January 2012 - 06:17 PM.


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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:19 PM

Yeah, we got bitch slapped today. Our entire secondary has forgotten how to tackle, and our Dline is just getting manhandled. 564 yds allowed (so far) - a new team record and a new benchmark for disgrace.


Really, this is so unacceptable for a quote pro unquote defense.

Disgusting.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:28 PM

Well next season we'll c. Since I'm ur student and ur educating me. The way I'm seeing it we need Safety, Cornerback, LB, DT, and a DE wouldn't hurt either. But since TD and Beason can fill all those position then I guess our Defensive problems r sumthin of the past. Can't wait to see this elite Defense next yr.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:29 PM

I really hope we have a chance to trade down and pick up a high second rounder this draft. I'd go LB, S, and CB with our first three picks. Love Davis, but if he can't go, I don't want scrubs in there again next year. If he is ok to go, then the draftee might be an upgrade over Anderson, which imo, is needed.

Safety? Sorry, I was griping about the wrong safety.. Godfrey actually has improved, but Martin looks lost in coverage, and this is not knee-jerk from today. He's been picked on all year long for a reason... I would love for us to pick up a STUD at Safety. I can't remember the last time we had one of those.

CB - I'm hoping Hogan or one of the other guys can come in and be a force on the other side of Gamble, but I'm not betting my shorts on it.Would it be great? Sure! Do I still think we need to find someone for CB #2? Absolutely.. Captain is not the answer there.

If Defense doesn't improve this next season, I'm not happy about McDermott (never have been to be honest), and I'm hoping he goes the way of the dodo and we get someone who actually knows how to gameplan a defense in here. It's almost shocking, knowing RR is a defensive minded coach, as to how bad ours actually is. Injuries play a huge factor, but somewhere, somehow, someone had to have stepped up and learned how to get the basics down... wrapping up isn't an option guys. Coach, please teach them how to do that? Thanks!

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:43 PM

After Thomas Davis and Dan Morgan, how anyone can expect the Panthers medical staff to put anyone back on the field in the form they were in before they left it, is beyond me.

This is one, I'll believe when I see it, but I wouldn't be mad at the Panthers if they drafted a stud LB who could play middle or outside. Connor is a good back up, but that's all he'll ever be after getting run all over today by Saints backs that aren't as good as they were made to look.


yeah even with Beason that achilles tear didn't come out of nowhere. it was bothering him for awhile, the medical staff worked with him and monitored it closely until they decided he was well enough to play

then he goes out and almost immediately tears it. good job guys. how these people still have jobs is a complete mystery to me

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:49 PM

Well next season we'll c. Since I'm ur student and ur educating me. The way I'm seeing it we need Safety, Cornerback, LB, DT, and a DE wouldn't hurt either. But since TD and Beason can fill all those position then I guess our Defensive problems r sumthin of the past. Can't wait to see this elite Defense next yr.


If any student of mine couldn't take the time to type the two extra letters in the words "see", "are", "year", and "your" (not to mention the travesty that was your attempt to type "something" and the omission of the single apostrophe in "we'll") and used the same combination of letters to represent "your" and "you're" I'd fail him on principle.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:51 PM

I don't know what to say. It's just hard to believe that an NFL Head Coach who p-l-a-y-e-d Linebacker IN the NFL and has been a defensive coordinator, himself, could have a secondary this bad. Injuries or not this is the NFL. Green Bay won a Superbowl (including 3 playoff games on the road) with the "Walking Wounded". I'm not talking about the results of the games ... I'm talking about the Effort. If you've got to lose ... At Least Put Up a Fight!

Maybe a full off season with Coach Ron will make all the difference. That ... and some healthy starters with the addition of a few quality (not afraid to Tackle) free agents and rookies. There are a few bright spots on this defense. The problem is that most of these guys are Very Good Back-Ups/Role & Situation Players.

The biggest let down for this team is Mental. Defenses have to be really Tough/Hard Hitting or Really Fast w/Gang Tackling. Either way the Mental Toughness has to be there. The loss of Davis and Beason (on the Field) really cost this defense. Those guys were Hard Hitting, Move Ya A$$, Make Em Feel Type Players. Even if we had only lost 1 or the other this defense would have been better. They would have gotten in guys' faces and lit a fire under their A$$ when needed. I really believe those 2 guys would have made the biggest difference (Beason even more than Davis because he's played full seasons).

Edited by Day24Day7, 01 January 2012 - 06:58 PM.
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:51 PM

After Thomas Davis and Dan Morgan, how anyone can expect the Panthers medical staff to put anyone back on the field in the form they were in before they left it, is beyond me.

This is one, I'll believe when I see it, but I wouldn't be mad at the Panthers if they drafted a stud LB who could play middle or outside. Connor is a good back up, but that's all he'll ever be after getting run all over today by Saints backs that aren't as good as they were made to look.


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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:52 PM

I want Zach Brown.



Z.Brown looked terrible against Missouri

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:57 PM

yeah even with Beason that achilles tear didn't come out of nowhere. it was bothering him for awhile, the medical staff worked with him and monitored it closely until they decided he was well enough to play

then he goes out and almost immediately tears it. good job guys. how these people still have jobs is a complete mystery to me


Dont really ever agree with u on your post but i definitely have to on this one. Beason has been having that issue for a while now and they let it go until he finally broke down. I dont know how the panther staff operates but it sure as hell hasn't been working when it comes to the players health.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:59 PM

It's simple. Get healthy, fix the secondary. DL is iffy, because we don't know how Edwards will do next year when we have him. LB is iffy because we don't know how TD will be; however, even if he isn't able to come back, we can survive without him as long as we have Beason and Anderson healthy.

We'll be OK. Today proved we need better safety play. Martin and Godfrey are just not good enough.