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Needs and 1st Round Availables

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Carolina's Needs:

DE - PRESSURE
DT - Run Stuffer
OL - Gross Aging, Otah sitting/oft injured
CB - Talent Needed
S - Talent Needed
LB - Thomas Davis?! Too long gone?!
WR - Always, and talent available at #9

[B]WHAT ELSE? [/B]

Sitting at #9, here is some of the Talent potentially available at those Possitions:

[B]DE:[/B]
o Quinton Coples, UNC
o Melvin Ingram, USC (Univ of SC)

[B]DT: [/B]
o Brandon Thompson, Clemson
o Jerel Worthy, Mich St

[B]OL:[/B]
o [U]OT -[/U]
• Matt Kalil, USC
• Jonathon Martin, Stanford
o [U]OG -[/U]
• David DeCastro, Stanford
• Kelecji Osemele, Iowa St

[B]CB:[/B]
o Morris Claiborne, LSU
o Dre Kirkpatrick, Ala

[B]LB:[/B]
o [U]OLB -[/U]
• Courtney Upshaw, Ala
• Nick Perry, Univ of Southern Cal

[B]S:[/B]
o Mark Barron, Ala
o Robert Lester, Ala

[B]WR:[/B]
o Justin Blackmon, Ok St
o Michael Floyd, ND
o Alshon Jeffrey, Univ of SC

[B]Talent-For-The Money[/B]
CBs Claiborne or Kirkpatrick are immediate impact players. I would be completely happy with Blackmon, Floyd, or Jeffrey as any one of these guys would be an immediate upgrade to what we have and another Deep Threat for Cam. Don't know about Coples, but Ingram would be an immediate upgrade. Finally, a 'Top 2' OL draft pick would go a long way to protect our new 'Franchise' QB and help the running game (like Otah did when [rarely] healthy).

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OSU's safety looked damn good last night, no idea where he's ranked.

You don't draft OG in the top 10 and I don't see it as a need. Bell will only get better. Going from UDFA to starter in a month is tough.

I like our DE rotation of Hardy, Keiser and Applewhite.

DT we get Edwards and Fua back to clog the middle and McClain to penetrate and get after the passer. Shirley, Kearse and Neblett all played well. I'm actually ok with our DT's.

CB- I love Captain, but as the Cb 2 he's in over his head and would rather see him at the nickel or dime spot. He's VERY valuable to ST's as a great gunner and tackler.

FS- Martin struggled outside of a few nice plays. I'm tired of converting guys and want to draft a true FS and let Godfrey bash heads at SS.

WLB- I'm as big a fan of TD as there is, but he can't be relied upon. I don't know how Senn would work full time as the starter, but there are several nice options in the draft.

WR isn't a need IMO, but Blackmon is my dream pick, he's the only guy I would take at 8-9, but he won't be there. We do need another burner to replace Smith at some point.
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Markelle Martin, the Oklahoma State safety, would be a great pick in the second round.

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I DVR'ed a couple bowl games to watch guys, I'll form more of an opinion on them after I watch.

Luck, DeCastro and others were impressive last night, save the "kicker." Blackmon was ridiculous, Martin was good and there were some others that impressed.

Plus it was a great game...except for Stanford's HC and K.

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Top rated FS:

1-Markelle Martin ~ Oklahoma State 6-1(height); 198 pounds; 4.47 (speed)
2-Aaron Henry ~ Wisconsin 6-0"; 210; 4.52
3-Robert Lester ~ Alabama 6-2"; 210; 4.56
4-George Iloka ~ Boise State 6-3"; 213; 4.50
5-Trenton Robinson ~ Michigan State 5-10"; 195; 4.46

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Who was the WR for Oregon who had a big game? Reminded me of Dwayne Jarrett with his lanky build, but had far better speed.

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[quote name='Ken']Top rated FS:

1-Markelle Martin ~ Oklahoma State 6-1(height); 198 pounds; 4.47 (speed)
2-Aaron Henry ~ Wisconsin 6-0"; 210; 4.52
3-Robert Lester ~ Alabama 6-2"; 210; 4.56
4-George Iloka ~ Boise State 6-3"; 213; 4.50
5-Trenton Robinson ~ Michigan State 5-10"; 195; 4.46[/QUOTE]

Isn't Mark Barron the 'Bama FS?

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[quote name='RufftownRepresent']Isn't Mark Barron the 'Bama FS?[/QUOTE]

Nope he is a SS
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I keep hearing people saying we are fine at DE.In a 4-3 you must get and keep pressure on the qb and I just do not see it with this line.Not arguing we need a talent upgrade at saftey and cb but when you give a qb so much time it will make any secondary look bad.I just hope we can get a player that can have an imediate impact.

With the exception OT this does look to be a great selection for our needs at the 9th spot.

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You have 4-5 players listed that are projected in the 2nd round. You are also missing Devon Still at DT and Reilly Reiff at OT.

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I still don't feel that good about our DT rotation and I feel we can get better there. I think Fua and Mclain at best can become good rotation players. I don't feel that they can lock the line down for the next upcoming years. What hurt so much is the chance to see Ron Edwards play. He will be 33 or 34 and coming off a torn tricep injury which is hard to prevent from re injury ask Aaron Smith DE of the Steelers.

We need an upgrade at CB and Free safety. I think we fill these holes at these positions in free agency or the draft. I think Rivera will look to bring in somebody like Steve Gregory from San Diego to play free safety for him. This year Draft is loaded at CB and you can find a ver good one in the 1st 2nd or 3rd round this year.

So I believe if they draft was today I think the Panthers may trade back and stock up on picks.

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uhhh....Nick Perry is a DE in our system, and DE is nowhere near a first round need....

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DE's don't have to generate pressure just because they play in a 4-3, aggressive blitz schemes are an example. If you're playing a Cover 2, for example, then you're relying almost completely on your front four to generate pressure.

Hardy did a good job getting pressure and moving QB's, but not getting the sacks. Keiser was also effective when he played.

If you held a gun to my head right now and made me make a pick without trades or unforeseen slips like Blackmon or Claiborne, then I take Fitzpatrick and cut AE. Fitz can return punts plus is a very good CB who I think would play early and start at some point. I love his combination of size, speed and physicality.

I'd look at FS or OLB in the second. Depth the rest of the way.

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Also, people here vastly underestimate the difficulty of trading back. If someone doesn't call you wanting to move up then it's very unlikely to happen.

I like the idea of moving back this year because of where we draft and the lack of a third, but it's certainly not something I would count on.

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I'm sure trading back would not be easy as we make it out to be but I also remember who runs the Cincinnati Bengals. I can envision a scenario where they attempt to trade up to get Richardson OR Justin Blackmon. They could also fall in love with Kirkpatrick since Leon Hall will be coming off an injury and Marvin Lewis is a defensive guy. I'd like their second round pick in a trade.

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I have a question..........why is it that the same group of people that scream we need defensive line pressure help because that is what makes our secondary look so bad want to draft, in the 1st rd, a slightly above average CB that plays on a beast defense that makes him look better than he really is?

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades']Also, people here vastly underestimate the difficulty of trading back. If someone doesn't call you wanting to move up then it's very unlikely to happen.

I like the idea of moving back this year because of where we draft and the lack of a third, but it's certainly not something I would count on.[/QUOTE]


So true!

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And let's cut to the chase, I'm expecting a major overhaul of the entire (with the exception of #1) draft board after the combine. I think we will see Janoris Jenkins pass Dre as #2 CB in the draft. Also expect Casey Hayward to move up the boards to be a clear 2nd rd pick

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[quote name='Jackofalltrades']OSU's safety looked damn good last night, no idea where he's ranked.

You don't draft OG in the top 10 and I don't see it as a need. Bell will only get better. Going from UDFA to starter in a month is tough.

I like our DE rotation of Hardy, Keiser and Applewhite.

DT we get Edwards and Fua back to clog the middle and McClain to penetrate and get after the passer. Shirley, Kearse and Neblett all played well. I'm actually ok with our DT's.

CB- I love Captain, but as the Cb 2 he's in over his head and would rather see him at the nickel or dime spot. He's VERY valuable to ST's as a great gunner and tackler.

FS- Martin struggled outside of a few nice plays. I'm tired of converting guys and want to draft a true FS and let Godfrey bash heads at SS.

WLB- I'm as big a fan of TD as there is, but he can't be relied upon. I don't know how Senn would work full time as the starter, but there are several nice options in the draft.

WR isn't a need IMO, but Blackmon is my dream pick, he's the only guy I would take at 8-9, but he won't be there. We do need another burner to replace Smith at some point.[/QUOTE]

I agree with a lot of what you said. DT and CB (people forget Hogan will be our CB addition) are not needs like people think. DE? I think Hardy and Keiser will step up.

I agree that we do not draft OG unless we trade down, but I think we will cut Wharton. Salary reasons. I would love DeCastro in the lineup, but only if I could get a second rounder to trade down.

I see us taking OLT if one of the top 3 are available.

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[quote name='kdrh5']I'm sure trading back would not be easy as we make it out to be but I also remember who runs the Cincinnati Bengals. [B]I can envision a scenario where they attempt to trade up to get Richardson OR Justin Blackmon.[/B] They could also fall in love with Kirkpatrick since Leon Hall will be coming off an injury and Marvin Lewis is a defensive guy. I'd like their second round pick in a trade.[/QUOTE]

First, in the extremely unlikely event Justin Blackmon is available when we pick, I really hope we unplug the phone lines and send the card in. Second, your generalization that the Bengals are a bad organization that makes bad trades is far from accurate. We're talking about the very same front office that landed a first rounder and a second, which could possibly (not likely) become another first for Carson fuging Palmer....

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[quote name='Gin and Juice']I have a question..........why is it that the same group of people that scream we need defensive line pressure help because that is what makes our secondary look so bad want to draft, in the 1st rd, a slightly above average CB that plays on a beast defense that makes him look better than he really is?[/QUOTE]

Maybe because qbs had all day to throw.Brees could have eaten a meal by the time we were getting to him.Even Hurney admitted in his interview that getting pressure was a major need.Unless we get better at blitzs or change to a 3-4 the DL has to be the ones to step up

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We could certainly use more pass rush, but our DE2 >>>>> our CB2 and FS and I'm not trying to say Hardy is an all-pro, I'm just saying we don't have ANYTHING at CB2 (outside of possible potential in Hogan and maybe improved play out of Butler) or FS. Regardless, Hardy has proven more capable at his position than any CB we have except Gamble and any S we have except Godfrey. I think it'd be a bigger upgrade to focus on our secondary first and DEs second.

With that said, if they decide Coples is as good as he looks like he CAN be I'm ok with getting him 1st and a CB or S in the 2nd (if S, I hope Cliff Harris falls to the 4th!) I'm not sold on Kirkpatrick's ability to either stay healthy or play CB in the NFL. (disclaimer: I've only watched Kirkpatrick's youtube videos and read what internet analysts have to say.)

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[quote name='jarhead']Maybe because qbs had all day to throw.Brees could have eaten a meal by the time we were getting to him.Even Hurney admitted in his interview that getting pressure was a major need.Unless we get better at blitzs or change to a 3-4 the DL has to be the ones to step up[/QUOTE]

Agreed! Now, why is everyone high on two CB's that play on defenses that make them look better than they are vs. that CB making big plays on pooty pass rush defenses?

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I seriously doubt we cut Wharton, but I could easily see him getting extended or restructured for some cap relief. Same maybe with Smith, Gamble and a couple others.

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I wish I had the answer but the draft is only a piece of the puzzle in fixing our defensive woes.I get the feeling that we will still be in a rebuilding phase next year unless we can bring in some veteran talent which is something Hurney does not usually do.I do think we need to draft players that can come in and make an imediate impact.I do know that if we cannot get better pressure on the qb we are screwed.

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