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#25 jarhead

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 05:24 PM

I wish I had the answer but the draft is only a piece of the puzzle in fixing our defensive woes.I get the feeling that we will still be in a rebuilding phase next year unless we can bring in some veteran talent which is something Hurney does not usually do.I do think we need to draft players that can come in and make an imediate impact.I do know that if we cannot get better pressure on the qb we are screwed.

Edited by jarhead, 04 January 2012 - 05:26 PM.


#26 R0CKnR0LLA

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 05:34 PM

Also, people here vastly underestimate the difficulty of trading back. If someone doesn't call you wanting to move up then it's very unlikely to happen.

I like the idea of moving back this year because of where we draft and the lack of a third, but it's certainly not something I would count on.


in general i agree, people act like it's always an option and it's not. though i will say the patriots figure out a way to pull off those kind of trades a LOT.

but they don't do as you said, sit and wait for someone to call them. some teams are just better at playing that poker game of convincing teams that they or some other team is about to ****** up "their guy".

also willing to take a discount (sometimes a sizeable one) on the picks normal value is huge

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 09:10 PM

I keep hearing people saying DT isn't a need or DE isn't a need or corner or LB...then why are we so bad. We need to upgrade every position we can, BPA on defense for the whole draft in my opinion. We need a new starter at FS and I'm loving Markelle Martin from OSU and I'd like him in the second round

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 10:33 PM

I seriously doubt we cut Wharton, but I could easily see him getting extended or restructured for some cap relief. Same maybe with Smith, Gamble and a couple others.


If you ONLY look at the balance sheet and the stats, you have to cut him.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

However, he is a leader, and he is a great run blocker. Is he worth $7 million--no. I would restructure him and make him take less.

MY question is this: If we draft a player like Reiff or Martin who can play LT, does that make Wharton, our backup LT, more expendible?

TD has a roster bonus of about $9 million that is on the books. We will never pay a dime of it. If Hurney restructures and gives him more guaranteed money, I will find where he parks and let every bit of air out of his tires.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 10:46 PM

I see Minnesota being in good position to trade down. A team wanting RGIII will want to move ahead of Cleveland. If we decide we do not want a LOT, then we will have offers. Kansas City, Arizona, Buffalo, Baltimore, Atlanta, St. Louis, Indy, Minnesota all want LTs.
Several more need RTs. I figure that Kalil will go second, and there is a chance that Reiff or Jonathan Martin will be the only starting-caliber LT on the board when we pick. I imagine the offer would be nice.

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 01:06 PM

I see Minnesota being in good position to trade down. A team wanting RGIII will want to move ahead of Cleveland. If we decide we do not want a LOT, then we will have offers. Kansas City, Arizona, Buffalo, Baltimore, Atlanta, St. Louis, Indy, Minnesota all want LTs.
Several more need RTs. I figure that Kalil will go second, and there is a chance that Reiff or Jonathan Martin will be the only starting-caliber LT on the board when we pick. I imagine the offer would be nice.


You have almost convinced me it is a possibility. I would love it if we could trade down and grab DeCastro or Devon Still and then have an extra 2nd rounder and maybe a 3rd. to spend on this deep class of CB's and LB's

Edited by shermdog444, 05 January 2012 - 01:25 PM.


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Posted 06 January 2012 - 08:05 AM

If you ONLY look at the balance sheet and the stats, you have to cut him.

http://footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

However, he is a leader, and he is a great run blocker. Is he worth $7 million--no. I would restructure him and make him take less.

MY question is this: If we draft a player like Reiff or Martin who can play LT, does that make Wharton, our backup LT, more expendible?

TD has a roster bonus of about $9 million that is on the books. We will never pay a dime of it. If Hurney restructures and gives him more guaranteed money, I will find where he parks and let every bit of air out of his tires.


Wharton is overpaid because we have called on him to play tackle and he is capible of that.I would think they will try to restructure his contract.

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Posted 08 January 2012 - 09:58 AM

DE's don't have to generate pressure just because they play in a 4-3, aggressive blitz schemes are an example. If you're playing a Cover 2, for example, then you're relying almost completely on your front four to generate pressure.

Hardy did a good job getting pressure and moving QB's, but not getting the sacks. Keiser was also effective when he played.

If you held a gun to my head right now and made me make a pick without trades or unforeseen slips like Blackmon or Claiborne, then I take Fitzpatrick and cut AE. Fitz can return punts plus is a very good CB who I think would play early and start at some point. I love his combination of size, speed and physicality.

I'd look at FS or OLB in the second. Depth the rest of the way.


I agree they do not hyave to get pressure but if you look at the Giants most of there pressure comes from the front 4 which allows better coverage of rbs,TEs and wrs.I agree that either Fitz or an OT are going to be the BPA at our pick