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#16 JawnyBlaze

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 09:44 PM

Rice's 1984 record-breaking season at Mississippi Valley caught the attention of many NFL scouts, but his speed (reportedly only 4.71 in the 40-yard dash) kept most wary


I doubt Jeffery is slower than 4.71, but if he is it isn't by much.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 09:51 PM

I hate vague terms like "route running" because it gives stupid people like the ones we see in this thread with no understanding of what it actually means something they can throw at the players they've deemed mentally that they either like or don't like and try to make it sound like they know what they are talking about to the ignorant masses, while posters who actually have an understanding of such things just laugh at how stupid they are.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 09:55 PM

:lol: Do you even know what constitutes as "good" route running or are you just trying to sound smarter than you are?


not sure if you're a condescending prick or just a troll.


either way, can you not tell the different between a good and a bad route?


i was on the alshon jeffery bandwagon before this season simply because of all the hype around him and the highlights i saw. decided to study up on the guy this season and he just seems lazy out there.

Edited by nickzz, 06 January 2012 - 09:58 PM.


#19 Cat'sGrowl

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:09 PM

Hey there meany head! I went to this internet scouting site, and in it's October mock draft it said Jeffery wasn't super fast, so don't you dare tell me I didn't do my research.

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Posted 06 January 2012 - 10:11 PM

Hey there meany head! I went to this internet scouting site, and in it's October mock draft it said Jeffery wasn't super fast, so don't you dare tell me I didn't do my research.


got em?

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:39 AM

http://www.nationalf...on-Jeffery.html

Overview: A big wide out who lacks ideal top end speed and isn’t a real explosive self-starter. He does display a little short area quickness for his size, however, not enough to consistently create legit separation off the line. Does a great job extending his long arms and adjusting to the football and the further down the field he can stride the tougher he is to cover.

Nevertheless, he strikes me as a guy who is always going to have a tough time creating separation for himself at the next level. Will still be able to make his fair share of plays because of his “plus” jump ball ability and will be a dangerous threat inside the red zone where he doesn’t have to run away from defenders.

Overall, Jeffery looks like a more dynamic version of Seahawks wide out Mike Williams who will be limited in the routes he can run (fade, slant, post, corner) at the next level. But can still be successful as the “Z” receiver where he will be put in motion and used a lot in two man routes with the tight end running vertical and adjusting to the throw. However, he’s never going to be overly productive due to his inability to separate consistently of his breaks.

Grade: 6.8 S C

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:41 AM

Don't worry about the butthurt Cock fan.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 09:50 AM

http://www.nationalf...on-Jeffery.html

Overview: A big wide out who lacks ideal top end speed and isn’t a real explosive self-starter. He does display a little short area quickness for his size, however, not enough to consistently create legit separation off the line. Does a great job extending his long arms and adjusting to the football and the further down the field he can stride the tougher he is to cover.

Nevertheless, he strikes me as a guy who is always going to have a tough time creating separation for himself at the next level. Will still be able to make his fair share of plays because of his “plus” jump ball ability and will be a dangerous threat inside the red zone where he doesn’t have to run away from defenders.

Overall, Jeffery looks like a more dynamic version of Seahawks wide out Mike Williams who will be limited in the routes he can run (fade, slant, post, corner) at the next level. But can still be successful as the “Z” receiver where he will be put in motion and used a lot in two man routes with the tight end running vertical and adjusting to the throw. However, he’s never going to be overly productive due to his inability to separate consistently of his breaks.

Grade: 6.8 S C


Love how you basically copy and pasted everything from the "What I don't like..." part and failed to include any of the positives on him. Good try though. Next.

#24 Matthias

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:08 AM

I've seen Alshon get down the field quickly enough for the QB to lob the ball to him. Is Alshon's lack of speed a direct result of his weight, or is it he just lacks natural speed? Because if it's a weight issue, he can lose a few pounds and mold his body to build speed.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 10:56 AM

I've watched nearly every game he's ever played. He does get lazy at times in his breaks but that's correctable. He has that knack that most top flight receivers have of only using the speed he needs then using that extra gear to get the little separation he needs (for him that's practically zero with his hands) to make the catch. The separation bit is a little tired and overrated I think because being "open" in the NFL would constitute being "completely covered" in college. I don't think he's going to blaze at the combine, but he'll put up high 4.5 to low 4.6 numbers. I think of him, if he gets his routes down cold, like a poor man's Larry Fitzgerald. They both have incredible hands and disgustingly good body control when going for a catch. And I love his toughness, played most of the Clemson game with a broken hand.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:02 PM

I've seen Alshon get down the field quickly enough for the QB to lob the ball to him. Is Alshon's lack of speed a direct result of his weight, or is it he just lacks natural speed? Because if it's a weight issue, he can lose a few pounds and mold his body to build speed.


Firstly, Alshon doesn't have a weight problem. He came into camp with a little bit of extra weight but shed that pretty quickly. He's still not extremely fit but doesn't have a gut like people try to say. You can trust me on that one. I mentioned in another thread a while back that I walked beside him at school one day and you can trust me that he is not overweight. The guy is strong as an ox, though.

Alshon is not fast. However, he's not as slow as some people try to make him out to be. He's a possession receiver. As far as his speed goes, he's faster than Sidney Rice. Let me put it that way. He's fast enough to get by defenders and usually runs right along with him. For example, watch the Capital One Bowl against Alfonzo Dennard (punk). He blew by him at least 3 times. On his long catch (78 yards) he completely ran by Dennard and made the catch. It would have been an easy TD had he not had to stretch for the catch and stumbled a bit. Even then, he was able to keep off Dennard for about 40 more yards.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 12:09 PM

:lol: But But But this amateur website said Jeffery was slow! take that you stupid SECer's!


Man if Matthias is smart enough to make an intelligent observation where does that leave JOAT? Is it time we seriously consider banning JOAT from the huddle this time of year so we don't have to listen to his opinionated and apparently always misinformed bullcrap?

Oh, yeah, one more thing. This here is an excerpt from a mock draft by the same author on the same website:

Coming off his big bowl game performance against Nebraska’s Alfonzo Dennard, Jeffery now has some momentum going his way and could begin to really ascend up draft boards. He’s a long kid with sneaky speed down the field and knows how to go get the football. And he has the talent to instantly improve the Jags' receiving corps.


In that scenario the author had Jeffery going 7 to Jacksonville. Remember. Same author. Same website. Oh and, in this next case, it's also the same article. Suppose FOAT conveniently left this part

What I like…

- Possesses elite size for the position with a long set of arms and massive pair of hands.
- Is a natural plucker of the football. Consistently is able to extend off his frame and maximize his long wingspan in order to go get the throw.
- Is very coordinated when asked to adjust to the throw, contorting his body, extending his arms and still getting his feet in bounds.
- Showcases good initial short area quickness off the line for his size. Knows how to work the jab step vs. press, get corners off balance and will drop his pad level initially into his route.
- Has a slight burst off the line at times and uses his length well to fend off defenders who try to stay engaged down the field. Does a nice job maintaining balance and keeping defenders from getting into his frame vertically.
- Locates the football well vertically. Has natural feel working the back shoulder fade with the strength to fight though contact and the grace to avoid it.
- Builds speed as he goes vertically down the field. The further down the field he’s able to run the tough he is to cover because of his deceptive strider speed.
- Exhibits “plus” body control when asked to quickly collect himself and adjust to the play.
- Looks like a power forward the way he goes up and gets the football.
- Showcases some savvy as a vertical route runner looking off defenders and cleanly getting out of his breaks.
- Does a nice job gaining an initial step to the post/corner, putting the defensive back on his hip, using his big frame to shield and go get the football.
- Uses his hands well to create a little separation when corners want to be physical with him out of his breaks. His long arms and subtle strength allows him to create a little push out of his routes and separate initially.
- Snaps his head around quickly out of his breaks and exhibits elite range when asked to go ****** the football.
- Showcases a little quickness with the ball in his hands, side-stepping defenders and creating a bit after the catch.
- Will work in the run game. Has the length to gain leverage, stick to defenders and win through contact.

What I don’t like…

- Isn’t a real explosive self-starter. Takes him a bit to get going and reach top end speed.
- Isn’t a burner either, builds speed as he goes, but looks like a 4.6 guy on tape.
- Will allow corners to get into his frame initially off the line in press coverage and often isn’t as physical with his hands as your would expect.
- Will get upright off the line vs. press and too often looks to skip into his route. Would like to see him stay lower and more compact.
- Stutters his steps when trying to get out of his breaks in the three-step game and will advertise his routes a bit.
- Gets upright when running the inward breaking routes, making him susceptible to physical corners when trying to change directions.
- Never generates much separation out of his breaks on all areas of the field.
- Makes most of his plays with defensive backs draped all over him.
- Saw his production drop dramatically in 2011 due to a change at quarterback.
- Has had some issues with weight, looked a bit heavy coming into the 2011.


I made sure I posted the cons as well, because I didn't want to be, well, a JOAT. I did however find it amusing that even in his cons he listed as a 4.6. Which is certainly good speed for someone his size. We've already established the Jerry Rice connection, but we've also seen other receivers who aren't nearly as gifted physically come out and run a 4.6 and still be good receivers, ala Marques Colston.

As for JOAT, someone who, for whatever reason, whether that be racism, anti-SEC bias, or simply not liking players who others like when he doesn't-will venture out on a smear campaign spreading false information, manipulating, and taking things out of context to suit his own agenda.

Now that we've seen what a joke FailureOfAllPosters is, I vote that we ban him from the draft forum at all times, and revoke his moderator status. Is this really the kind of person who should be in charge around here? No, of course not. If TRD went on the smear campaign JOAT has been the past two years, he would be gone within days. Should we really put up with it from FOAP simply because he's a mod? I say no.

Edited by Cat'sGrowl, 07 January 2012 - 12:18 PM.


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Posted 07 January 2012 - 01:56 PM

Alshon = best TE in the draft

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 02:20 PM

[quote name='Cat'sGrowl']:lol: But But But this amateur website said Jeffery was slow! take that you stupid SECer's!


Man if Matthias is smart enough to make an intelligent observation where does that leave JOAT? Is it time we seriously consider banning JOAT from the huddle this time of year so we don't have to listen to his opinionated and apparently always misinformed bullcrap?

Oh, yeah, one more thing. This here is an excerpt from a mock draft by the same author on the same website:



In that scenario the author had Jeffery going 7 to Jacksonville. Remember. Same author. Same website. Oh and, in this next case, it's also the same article. Suppose FOAT conveniently left this part



I made sure I posted the cons as well, because I didn't want to be, well, a JOAT. I did however find it amusing that even in his cons he listed as a 4.6. Which is certainly good speed for someone his size. We've already established the Jerry Rice connection, but we've also seen other receivers who aren't nearly as gifted physically come out and run a 4.6 and still be good receivers, ala Marques Colston.

As for JOAT, someone who, for whatever reason, whether that be racism, anti-SEC bias, or simply not liking players who others like when he doesn't-will venture out on a smear campaign spreading false information, manipulating, and taking things out of context to suit his own agenda.

Now that we've seen what a joke FailureOfAllPosters is, I vote that we ban him from the draft forum at all times, and revoke his moderator status. Is this really the kind of person who should be in charge around here? No, of course not. If TRD went on the smear campaign JOAT has been the past two years, he would be gone within days. Should we really put up with it from FOAP simply because he's a mod? I say no.[/
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Dude you seem like a really smart guy when it comes to football matters but act like a big baby when someone disagrees with you. Let it go its just someones a opinion.. And i for one think Alshon will beast in the NFL but i don't want the Panthers drafting him at 9. Tooo many holes on defense dating back to last season to fill. Wouldn't hate drafting an OT that high as well.

Chill its just a message board.

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Posted 07 January 2012 - 08:44 PM

I think Jeffery would be a good pick that i would be satisfied with.
But i must say that defense is way more important to this team.


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