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#733 theyhateme45

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 10:33 PM

Dude...WTH...Stating that beating OU and Baylor is the reason OSU is a better team than Bama is not a reason. I don't ignore them, they are just flawed arguments.

Last time I checked football is played on both sides of the ball. The difference between Bama's defense and OSU's defense is greater than OSU's offense and Bama's offense.

I really think people don't watch CFB and just are just making a case for OSU because they can't stand the success of the SEC.


I never even mentioned Baylor...??? You have me confused

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 10:51 AM

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:


I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:30 AM

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:


I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup


Every conference wants a +1 or playoff.

BCS officials said RIGHT AFTER THE GAME that something is getting done ASAP about a playoff solution.

If that isn't an indication that they didn't get it right I don't know what is.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 11:40 AM

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:


I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup


there should be a +1 regardless of who consistently wins... how someone would complain is beyond me, whichever teams make it to the championship game would straight up have to beat teams to get there..

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:07 PM

Every conference wants a +1 or playoff.

BCS officials said RIGHT AFTER THE GAME that something is getting done ASAP about a playoff solution.

If that isn't an indication that they didn't get it right I don't know what is.



http://sports.espn.g...tory?id=3186232

http://sportsillustr...ange/index.html

Check the date, it isn't a "JUST NOW" issue.

It has nothing to do about them getting this years game wrong.(since it wasn't)

I want a playoff system myself.

there should be a +1 regardless of who consistently wins... how someone would complain is beyond me, whichever teams make it to the championship game would straight up have to beat teams to get there..


There should be a real playoff system period and most people agree.
It is funny to me about all the complaints, poo I'm confident in the teams I like to watch regardless of what system they use.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 03:20 PM

http://sportsillustr...ange/index.html


From that link:

None of the three commissioners on the dais with Delany on Thursday will take his side on this issue. Swofford doesn't want a large playoff, but he does support the four-team model that was proposed by SEC commissioner Mike Slive back in 2008. Thompson wants a playoff. In fact, he has tried proposing one before. Banowsky, one of the leaders in the fight to eliminate BCS automatic qualifying status, said the vote was fairly close in 2008. He also said that "in all likelihood," Conference USA presidents would support a plus-one.


I'd even say most of the head coaches in the B10 want some sort of playoff even if the conference as an entity doesn't.

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 06:33 PM

Or I'm to busy doing stuff not relating to the Huddle to worry about you thinking I'm ducking away from a debate on a message board. Also, I never said that the two best teams shouldn't play for the title. I said that using the eyeball test to determine the two best teams is weak. I never said both teams weren't deserving, just that OSU was to. The only thing I disagreed with you about was that it is a "FACT" that Alabama and LSU would beat OSU. You, and every other "expert" have no way of knowing that. I have no clue what I did to get your panties into such a wad, but your personal problem you seem to have against me is rather amusing.....

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I think a ten year old could probably figure out my screenname is Cardiac Cat....it's really not that difficult.



Damn I must feel really stupid, I thought it was some kinda of Star Wars reference. Like C3PO.:confused:

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Posted 11 January 2012 - 06:42 PM

Funny that the SEC is the most prominent conference wanting a playoff or + 1.

It is likely to happen soon(a +1) and when the SEC teams dominate that too, it will be interesting to see what new excuses are brought up.

OSU could beat Bama or LSU :lol:


I bet "CardiacCat" also thought that USC was without question the best team in the country in 2004. Yea AU says wassup


I think I've already established my stance that it's impossible to say who was best between two teams that never played. I will say this though....based on what USC did to Auburn, @ Auburn the season before, I think most would bet the farm on USC....The Trojans completely dominated Auburn, holding Cadilac and Ronnie Brown to a combined 68 yards on 20 carries....yes the '04 Auburn team was better defensively and Campbell was a better player. But the game against Auburn was also before Reggie Bush and Lendale White started dominating college football. Not having Mike Williams in '04 would have made things a little harder on Leinart, but it's not like the other Steve Smith and Dwayne Jarrett were scrubs at USC.

I think it definitely would have been much more competitive then the game against Oklahoma, but in the end I like USC's offense to make the necessary plays. Of course, like I said there's no way to know for sure who would have won the game, but I think a lot of SEC fans underestimate the difference an elite QB can make, which is why they believe teams like Stanford, USC, OSU etc. could actually give teams like LSU a great game and perhaps win. I fully expect you to tell me I underestimate the difference a great defense can make, but you couldn't be more wrong. Whether or not anyone knows it, USC's 2008 defense was just as good as Alabama's this year, allowing 7.8 ppg and 206 ypg compared to Bama's 8.2 ppg and 184 ypg. The '08 USC teams defense is just forgotten, because of the team getting left out of the title game against Florida. So yea, I understand a little about defense as well....

But like I said, you talking trash about Auburn being the best team is pretty pointless because the two teams never played, and the '04 squads never will play (outside of the NCAA Football game), so there's absolutely no way to know.....

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:33 AM

Didnt watch the game. How did Kirkpatrick and Claibourne do?

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 12:37 AM

Didnt watch the game. How did Kirkpatrick and Claibourne do?


Neither were really tested.

As far as Claiborne, he returned some KOs but nothing spectacular. When Bama threw the ball they rolled out McCarron a lot and threw away from him. They threw to Smelley a lot who is their tight end.

And for Kirkpatrick, LSU didn't have much of pass game to begin with. Dre made some plays in the run game. He is a physical guy that's for sure.

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Posted 12 January 2012 - 10:38 AM

Neither were really tested.

As far as Claiborne, he returned some KOs but nothing spectacular. When Bama threw the ball they rolled out McCarron a lot and threw away from him. They threw to Smelley a lot who is their tight end.

And for Kirkpatrick, LSU didn't have much of pass game to begin with. Dre made some plays in the run game. He is a physical guy that's for sure.


I would say no substantial knowledge could be gained watching either on Monday night, because for the most part the offenses schemed them out of the game. I still like Claiborne better as a pure corner over Dre, but it's hard to not be impressed with the physical skill set Dre has....