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Maybe. I don't know that he's "beyond crazy" yet though. If I thought that I wouldn't bother talking to him.

You should read some of his other posts. 98% are about the media slighting Cam/blacks in some way and giving Gabbert/The Golden Calf of Bristol/Dalton the benefit of the doubt.

He thinks this fanbase hates Cam for some reason.

He didn't know what JV football was.

He thought 12 guys played on offense and defense.

Shall I continue?

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I kept pretty quite about Newton but did post this last Jan.

"I agree Newton must be able to pass first to make it in the big league but it sure would be exciting seeing the aints, birds, and bucs chasing after him with their tongues hanging out cursing every other breath."

It sure was exciting too!

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You should read some of his other posts. 98% are about the media slighting Cam/blacks in some way and giving Gabbert/The Golden Calf of Bristol/Dalton the benefit of the doubt.

He thinks this fanbase hates Cam for some reason.

He didn't know what JV football was.

He thought 12 guys played on offense and defense.

Shall I continue?

Nah. No point.

Sports fans are, by nature, too quick to judge successes and failures. I'm probably guilty of it sometimes too but I try not to be. Also try to encourage others to be a little less quick on the draw and a tad less dogmatic and hold fewer grudges, though admittedly sometimes I wonder why I bother :lol:

Just my nature I guess.

Simple as it might be, sometimes the hardest thing to get sports fans to accept is that it really is just a game.

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I kept pretty quite about Newton but did post this last Jan.

"I agree Newton must be able to pass first to make it in the big league but it sure would be exciting seeing the aints, birds, and bucs chasing after him with their tongues hanging out cursing every other breath."

It sure was exciting too!

Yeah it was :lol:

Should be next year too.

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i demand e-justice!

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The problem is that guys like Matt Ryan were declared the next big thing before he did anything to prove it. He had a decent rookie year and he was blown up by people in the media because he fit the mold of what they want a good QB to be.

Even after Cam's great rookie performance certain people like Narwocki want to put a slew of caveats by his achievements to diminish them instead of just saying "I screwed the pooch on this one."

Many of Cam's critics went from saying "He is going to struggle because the Panthers have no offensive weapons in the passing game and had no OTAs" to now trying to backtrack but save face by saying "Well Chudzinski is just a genius who made Derek Anderson a Pro Bowler" or "Their coaching staff really used Cam well" or "Wow he has sooooo many weapons no wonder he played well!!" Sometimes QBs can make offensive coordinators and teammates look like geniuses and pro-bowlers.

Anything to try and prevent themselves from giving the praise to Cam Newton who took the worst offense in the NFL and made them a top 5 offense (along with the help of a competent OC).

I don't remember the same caveats for Ryan, Bradford, Big Ben, or Manning in their rookie campaigns.

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Ok, true story time! On draft night, my redskin buddy was mocking our pick of Newton. I text him the following......If we select Jawalrus Russell 2.0 then I'm burning your house down out of protest! He ask, "why not ur house?" I replied, "That would just be stupid....something Sir Cameron Newton: Leader of Men, Lover of Puppies...Esquire would do!"

Happy to admit I was wrong!

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Props to this writer for taking ownership of his comments.

I got on the Cam wagon as soon as they drafted, but I had my doubts all the way up to the Arizona game. I have never been more happy to be wrong and I hope he continues to make fools out of most of us.

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Many of Cam's critics went from saying "He is going to struggle because the Panthers have no offensive weapons in the passing game and had no OTAs" to now trying to backtrack but save face by saying "Well Chudzinski is just a genius who made Derek Anderson a Pro Bowler" or "Their coaching staff realy used Cam well" or "Wow he has sooooo many weapons no wonder he played well!!"

Question: Do we not have a ton of weapons now?

Follow up Question: Did Chud not make Derek ANderson a Pro Bowler?

And I guess my answer to your response about Ryan, Flacco, Ben, Eli is that Ryan and Flacco fuging suck and are completely overrated, Ben is overrated because of his rings, 1 of which he tried to single handily lose for them but he's still pretty good, nowhere near elite, and Eli has never been praised that much by anyone, until recently when his play has improved and he's on the cusp of going to his second superbowl with a pretty injury ravaged team around him. Maybe they learned that a few years makes all the difference and they don't want to be too quick to hand out praise now. They handed it out too quickly to Ryan, Flacco, Freeman, Vick, etc and all those guys fuging suck (except occasionally Andy Reid figures out how to get guys wide open that Vick doesn't miss) and now they just want to take all things into consideration when giving praise.

In summary: Ryan sucks, Flacco sucks, Ben is overrated, Freeman sucks, Eli has earned his praise lately and they don't want to repeat mistakes so they are taking a slow approach to praise.

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The problem is that guys like Matt Ryan were declared the next big thing before he did anything to prove it. He had a decent rookie year and he was blown up by people in the media because he fit the mold of what they want a good QB to be.

Even after Cam's great rookie performance certain people like Narwocki want to put a slew of caveats by his achievements to diminish them instead of just saying "I screwed the pooch on this one."

Many of Cam's critics went from saying "He is going to struggle because the Panthers have no offensive weapons in the passing game and had no OTAs" to now trying to backtrack but save face by saying "Well Chudzinski is just a genius who made Derek Anderson a Pro Bowler" or "Their coaching staff relly used Cam well" or "Wow he has sooooo many weapons no wonder he played well!!"

Anything to try and prevent themselves from giving the praise to Cam Newton.

I don't remember the same caveats for Ryan, Bradford, Big Ben, or Manning in their rookie campaigns.

I do, especially with Bradford.

There were definitely caveats, but like usually happens, those get lost in the hype.

There will always be doubters. Heck, the year the Panthers made it to the Super Bowl, there were people who said we lucked into it or only got there because the rest of the field was weak or someoreason or another.

The bigger question: why do we care?

If we succeed, so what if everybody else makes excuses or discounts it? Doesn't take away the feeling :D

If we don't, then all the "moral victories" in the world won't make it any better.

Results are what matter.

Talk is just talk.

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Question: Do we not have a ton of weapons now?

Follow up Question: Did Chud not make Derek ANderson a Pro Bowler?

And I guess my answer to your response about Ryan, Flacco, Ben, Eli is that Ryan and Flacco fuging suck and are completely overrated, Ben is overrated because of his rings, 1 of which he tried to single handily lose for them but he's still pretty good, nowhere near elite, and Eli has never been praised that much by anyone, until recently when his play has improved and he's on the cusp of going to his second superbowl with a pretty injury ravaged team around him.

In summary: Ryan sucks, Flacco sucks, Ben is overrated, Eli has earned his praise lately

Answer: What big time weapons are on this top 5 offense that weren't on this terrible offense last year?? Is Olsen, Shockey,and Naanee enough to turn last years offense into a top 10 offense??

Follow up answer: He did. He also was also the offensive coordinator in 2008 when the Browns scored 11 points or less in 10 of their 16 games including 6 single digit games and two shutouts. But he is a genius.

Your last paragraph is my point. They were all overrated because they fit the mold of what the media thought a QB should be.

And none were doused with a slew of caveats to diminish their accomplishments the way some were doing with Cam. They were ready to dive in head first that they were all Super Bowl QBs.

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And none were doused with a slew of caveats to diminish their accomplishments the way some were doing with Cam. They were ready to dive in head first that they were all Super Bowl QBs.

Not quite true. There are analysts who are measured and reasonable in the way they look at quarterbacks. They just tend to be in the minority and don't get much attention.

It's the bombastic ones (the Jim Romes, the Skip Baylesses, the Tony Cornheisers, etc) that everyone talks about because these days sports media is more about entertainment than analysis.

If you go by the general media, pretty much all quarterbacks are overrated.

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